Desperate 206 Starting Problems....Any Help Please??

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Banzai
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Desperate 206 Starting Problems....Any Help Please??

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Hello fellow enthusiasts. I am a newby to the forum, (Colchester, Essex) but desperately in need of the assistance of a kind soul, as I am now at my wits end.

I have a Peugeot 206 1.4 LX Auto, 2002, build 4260. It has now been sitting outside my house for the last 2 months and I cannot get it to start. Here’s the history:

A lovely car that ran well, but it started to pink after reaching 65-70 degrees. Fully warmed up (89-90) it got worse, then eventually started to miss fire i.e. would die for a split second or so when driving, but recover and carry on as normal. I read that if the temperature thermostat was faulty, the ECU would give the wrong fuel mixture, so I changed the cooling sensor stat. No difference. One morning, the car wouldn’t start at all. It turns over fine, but will not fire up. Now it is in Eco-Mode. This is when all my troubles started.

I changed the battery for a new one, as it wasn’t holding charge well and looked rather old. I reconnected the new one, observing the proper BSI start up procedures. Then I also changed the following:

Coil Pack
Idle Stepper Motor (I discovered the original was unplugged so figured it was faulty anyway)

The RAC came out on the Sunday evening, but the “very, very, nice man” couldn’t fix it and diagnosed the Crankshaft sensor was faulty. I changed that next day. No difference, it still wouldn’t start. (There’s no camshaft sensor on this model apparently.)

So, I purchased an old XP laptop and PP200 with Diagbox from fleabay. Having (eventually) got it all working, I ran the global tests. I find that there are “no faults found” on all systems/ECU’s….EXCEPT in the automatic transmission ECU. This gives a fault code of 22, plus another failure that there’s no rotation from the engine. I can’t remember the details but wrote it off, as the engine isn’t running anyway. There is no data from the Transmission ECU at all, (i.e. all fields blank) which makes me think there is no power to it. Running detailed tests on the engine ECU reveals that the injectors are all working, the plugs are all sparking, the fuel pump is working, there is fuel pressure at the rail and the engine ECU all checks out fine. It’s not locked, the key is recognized, immobilizer is not active and the BSI unit reports no faults. I’ve spent all day examining the wiring, carrying out earth checks but found nothing untoward. I’ve also previously checked all the fuses in the BSI and under bonnet fuse boxes. They are all fine.

Can anyone please tell me if the auto transmission ECU wasn’t working, would this stop the engine ECU from starting the car?

Also, can anyone advise me how to check the power supply to the Automatic transmission ECU unit (SAGEM 2000 system) I don’t have any wiring diagrams and the Haynes manual is rather lacking on electrical detail.

I guess the moral to my sad story, is to have taken it to the dealers in the first place. Unfortunately, I’m not that well off and can’t afford their prices. They wouldn’t even come out to my house for a diagnostic, neither would the local independent guy either. So I’m in the doo-doo.

I would be really grateful if someone could help me out with some diagnostic or constructive advice. Thanks for reading. David :oops:

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Capncol
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Hi David and Welcome.
The only way the auto trans would prevent the car from starting would be if it thought it was in gear, in which case the starter wouldn't turn.
I suspect your troubles are more related to a cam belt jumping a tooth or something similar. How old is the belt? Has it been changed? If so, when? How many miles has the car done?
Cheers Col.


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Hi Capncol and many thanks for the reply. I've only had the car just under 3 months. It's done 86,000 miles and as far as I can tell, has not had a cam belt change. I did wonder if maybe it has slipped a few teeth, but thought that it would still spark, just in the wrong place. However, using the old coil pack and a plug, there is no spark at all. Do you know the best way to check cam belt alignment etc? Thanks again, David

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See. this thread Your 1.4 is the same setup as 1.6.
Your belt is overdue on both age and mileage if it hasn't been changed.
Cheers Col.


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Thanks again Col. Changing the belt was next on my list, but I'm loathed to spend anymore until I can get it running. I guess I'll have to take a chance and do it anyway. Cheers David

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Well, I put the 6 and 10mm pins in the engine and it looks like the cam belt has slipped by either 1 or possibly 2 teeth clockwise. I'm guessing that even one tooth is enough to stop it firing. So....cam belt change and setup then! Choosing the right belt kit seems a nightmare in itself. The original belt says its a Gates power grip HTD 9631203080 and 58104x17. I think I'll stick with Gates, but just need to identify the correct kit, with a water pump too.

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Update: Cam belt and water pump changed as a kit. Still won't fire up. PP2000 connected and no fault found in the engine ECU, but individual checks show injector 4 not working and now none of the spark plugs will fire on testing. It just says. No communications.

Anyone ANY ideas? Much appreciated.

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What cable are you using to connect your laptop to the car? Lexia 3? PP2000 is specific to that cable. PP2000 can be a pain to setup. As yours is a 2002 a basic EODB diag should work but nothing can be guaranteed.

Are you selecting the right ecu? Try different options.

Is the coilpack getting power? The cables to the connector is known to break near the plug.
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Hi Gazza. Thanks so much for the reply. I'm getting desperate.

I'm using the proper diag connector which came with the diagbox/PP2000 software. It's all working fine, but there are no fault codes from the engine ECU. The car is in ECO mode and the auto gearbox ECU isn't communicating with the engine ECU. I've checked the connections at the coil pack plug and as far as I can see in the loom. I've also checked all the plugs to the ECU. No water ingress, no bent pins, no corrosion either. All the earths seem ok too. I don't know the pins to check voltages as I don't have any wiring diagrams. I've checked to auto trans ECU plug and that's ok too.

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Are you sure you haven't bent the valves if the timing was out? I would compression test it next. PP2000 (or any other diagnostic for that matter) won't tell you that you have lost compression due to bent valves.
Cheers Col.


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Hi Col

Compression is fine on all cylinders. PP2000 says when testing the 1/2 and 3/4 coil packs, "No Communication". I can't understand why that is. They were firing under individual test before and so were all the injectors but number 4 is now intermittent and doesn't click when testing.
David