Engine Management Light

[sheerness]

Hi there in need of some help guys, long story short, Alternator died, then car died on M25 got free lift home thanks to the AA....

Alternator replaced battery fully charged car wont start Engine Management Light stuck on,
not getting spark and fuel pump not coming on (wired pump to battery and working) so there is no fault with the pump,
replaced coil pack new plugs,
replaced all fuses and 3 relays under the bonnet, and replaced all fuses under dash on the drivers side
have pluged in PP2000 and getting these error messages below,
can someone tell me where are the items below perhaps some pictures would be gr8 help

Cheak :
-transponder PEUGEOT
-ignition controlled + ve supply to control unit 1320
-Battery + ve supply to control unit 1320
-Built-in systems interface
-Analogue module 8220
Connect the adaptor (C1240): on Built-in systems interface BSI.
Switch om the ignition.

W Reg 2000

if you are needing anymore info please let me know and i will give you what you need,
Thanks in advance

[Capncol]

Need more info. You don't even say what engine it is.

[sheerness]

opssss sorry Capncol

1.6 8V WReg (2000) I can remember if the Engine Management Light stays on till the car has started, But anyway the errors I am getting back are above your message to me, Hope we can get to the bottom of this, car has been of the road for almost 3 weeks now

Kind Regards
Dom.....

[gazza82]

Looks like an immobiliser problem ... if that is not picking up it won't allow the to start. It kills power to coil pack and also the fuel pump ..

[Capncol]

1320 is the main engine ecu and it looks like its not receiving power. I should be able to give you the pin outs. Could be due to imobiliser as Gazza has said, or something else. I can't give you the info til Tues eve or Wed am depending when I get back home.

[sheerness]

thank you thank you thank you both,
any help you can provide for me with this issue would be greatly received,
I spent hours today looking are the wiring harness even took the dash out to see if there was anything broken split wires ect,

just for the record I do have another ECU/BSI form another car all number match up on both Ecu & Bsi I also have the Vin & reg from where it has come from, the only thing I don't have the is the build number & the 4 digit code to access the ecu's.

I obviously I have them for the ones in my car at the moment,

I thought I would let you know what I have here

again thank you!
I am sure we can get my beloved car back on the road again with your help,

[gazza82]

Please don't blow any more money on the car just randomly ... start to think logically. What has the loom got to do with the alternator failing????

At this rate nothing will match and you will end up with a collection of bits that resemble a 206 Cc ... only it goes nowhere.

[sheerness]

Don't worry i won't i don't have the money too...

I wont be doing nothing till I get further instructions from you guys,

Thanks in advance,

[gazza82]

So do you still have the original ECU and BSI in the car? If not that's the problem ... your transponder in the key doesn't match.

The pp2000 in your post of Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:12 pm seems to be suggesting the transponder and ecu are not in sync ...

I'm wondering whether the fact you changed the battery means that the BSi needs a reboot. I bet whoever fitted the new battery simply connected it which could also be part of the problem. The loss of the alternator could have damaged something but let's eliminate everything else first ...


(the following is "borrowed" off another Pug forum ... might be worth trying the battery disconnection/connection again as explained below).

BSI Reboot
Some later Bsi units are liable to corrupt their own software program if
not “woken up” in a specific way after programming keys or battery disconnection.

Procedure for Initialising the BSI after key learning
1. Disconnect the diagnostic tool.
2. Put the driver’s window down, lift the bonnet and ensure all
equipment is switched off.
3. Ensure all doors are closed and remove key from the
ignition.
4. Wait for 3 minutes, disconnect the vehicle battery and wait
15 seconds.
5. Reconnect the vehicle battery, wait a further 10 seconds (do
not open doors.)
6. Switch on the side lights through the driver's window.
7. Switch on the ignition and check system’s functionality.
8. Hold lock button on key down for 10 seconds.
9.remove key open & close door test central locking system
10. Start the engine and complete the system’s check.
Failure to follow this procedure could result in incorrect operation of many
BSI related items.


This is a shorter version

PROCEDURE FOR BATTERY DISCONNECTION (The 3 Minute Rule)

Whenever a vehicle battery has to be disconnected, switch off all equipment, interior lights etc, close the doors leaving the drivers window open.

Switch off the ignition and remove the key and any DIAG equipment.

Wait a full 3 minutes before disconnecting the battery.

The BSi must be allowed to go to SLEEP ie into "power save mode". Do not operate any equipment on the vehicle during this time. Remember, even opening the bonnet will wake the BSi on a vehicle fitted with alarm.

If the battery is under the bonnet, open the bonnet first and leave it up. 807 batteries can be dis-connected through the drivers window, remove floor cover first.

ALWAYS disconnect any DIAG equipment and do not operate any plips from other vehicles during the 3 minute waiting period.

PROCEDURE FOR BATTERY RECONNECTION

Unless otherwise instructed by Peugeot or Product Service, you must always carry out the following procedure, often referred to as a "soft re-boot", to minimise the possibility of the BSi corrupting its own software when reconnecting the vehicles battery supply.
Ensure the procedure for battery disconnection has been adhered to and importantly all BSi functions were switched off with the drivers window left down.

1 Close all doors
2 Remove ignition key if left in ignition
3 Reconnect battery. DO NOT open any doors
4 Wait 10 seconds
5 Switch on headlights through the drivers window (you will hear a "bong")
6 Switch on ignition then start the vehicle and check system functions

[gazza82]

I've posted you problem to two other Pug forums ... lets see if we can get to the bottom of it ...

BTW as you don't have a CC ... the engine you have is not familiar to most of us on here ... we have the 16v 1.6 or 2.0 engines ... but the rest should be roughly the same ...

At least you don't have a folding roof to worry about!

[gazza82]

You haven't told us the whole story ... found this on 206info ... you HAVE swapped out the ECU and BSI units ...

http://www.206info.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=57376/

[Capncol]

Hmmm. I wish people would give ALL the relevant info. It's hard enough to try and do remote fault finding and pretty well impossible when you are not given the whole picture. Sounds like the looms fried.
However. is it the Siemens or Bosch system?

[GrandadMonkey]

Second one like it in a week. Stretches one's patience.

[sheerness]

Hi there and thanks for your reply's guys for the info that you have been giving me, gazza82 yes I did try a swap but unsuccessful so reverted back to the original BSI-ECU, I Have also done the BSI Reboot this is a Siemens system, to which no change, I am thinking immobiliser even tho on pp2000 it does say engine ecu is unlocked, analog state is good, I Have cheeked all Earthing cable from battery on to the body of car and on the gearbox and all is fitted well with no sigh of corrosion, or maybe no power to the ecu as I am unable to get spark and fuel pump not coming on, (as I said before I have run a wire from pump direct to battery and was working fine)

I Must say thank you for your help so far,
AND a promise that I wont be doing anything with out your say so with your help to eliminate this issue

Kind Regards

[sheerness]

Hi guys below is a pic of the ECU that is under the bonnet,
this is what is in it when I bought the car a year ago,
so If i am correct that there is not power going in to this to tell the petrol pump to come on and also to have no spark then if you guys could help with providing me some kind of pinout so I can get the power to the unit, I Have replaced the Relay under the ecu to have no change so I have put original back in its place,
again any help would be great



Kind Regards