New 206cc Owner - problems on day 2!!!

GIRLO · Post by **GIRLO** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:12 pm

Hi all,

Ive owned 2 peugeots in the past and have loved both, and had no major probs with either. I bought a 52 plate 206cc 2.0 last Friday and on the drive home the car was perfect!

On Saturday as the rain had finally stopped we decided to go and try out the roof..... its started off ok, but slowed right down and the boot lid stopped about a foot above where it was supposed to be, roof was folded into boot at this point though. After alot of swearing and messing about we got it closed in place and then on closing it the roof came back up as it should have. Again very slow, as though there wasnt enough power there. Decided to ring garage car was from who advised me to bring it back and they would check it out. (Torrential rain on day of pick up so it wasnt demonstrated at that time.)

Back out to car, start engine, and Catalytic Converter Fault lights up on screen along with yellow engine management light!! Stopped engine, waited and restarted, same fault, same light then it changes to Anitpollution Fault. Ring garage back, who assure me its ok to drive so I return to garage with car. Car was also very juddery before I set off, but drove fine, no loss of power at all, but light staed on all journey.

They say roof needs some hydraulic fluid, and think the other fault if the coil pack, which they say they will replace. Car is left, and Im told new coil pack will arrive Weds. On Thurs Im told thats been fitted, but its still registering same fault, but only when car is completely cold, so they are now going to check the injectors. Today (friday) Ive been told injectors are all fine so they have rung Peugeot for advice Why didnt they ring Peugeot on Monday instead of waiting 5 days??!! and been told they need to do an "engine flush" and add a treatment which will cure what they (Peugeot) called "Sticky Valves" (What??!!)

Does this sound feasable? Or am I being told a right story here?? The garage is carrying out the work, and the car is also covered by a 3 month independant warranty (through Ins Co), but when I go to pick car up tomorrow how can I be confident that the problem is cured? Is this something anyone else has encountered? Ive read loads of posts on here that mention the same problem, but no-one has had this outcome/solution that Ive read. What does an engine flush entail and what is the treatment they are talking about?

The roof is apparently working ok now, but I shall be getting them to demonstrate it a few times when Im there tomorrow so that Im sure.

Car has been serviced regularly, and has done 58k miles for info.

Id be very grateful if anyone has any tips/comments/suggestions. I know all cars have quirks and problems and a 2nd hand car isnt going to be perfect, but I dont expect this ..... Id welcome any help on this anyone can offer.

Thanks very much

lastvts · Post by **lastvts** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:39 pm

Sorry to hear your troubles. I have read that the 2.0 is known for sticking valves and from what I have read, some cars have had valves replaced for smaller 1.8litre valves to cure this issue. I have had my 2.0l CC for seven years and have not had an issue however I do regular oil changes and use the best fully synthetic oil. I would prefer to have my engine flushed and a good quality motor oil fill than have valves replaced so would go along with what your garage is saying in that respect.

When you opened the roof for the first time did you have your engine running? I ask this as I guess it is a possibility that the battery drained and thus why the motion slowed during operation. I always have the engine running during roof operations for this reason. I have had an engine warning lamp come up once and it was after I left my lights on and nearly flattened the battery. The car struggled to start and then flashed with an engine warning lamp for a few seconds and then just stayed on. I read that when this happens an error is logged in the system and there are 2 ways to get rid of it. One is to pay Peugeot to clear the error or the way I done, which was to disconnect the battery for 2 days. I later needed a new battery. Basically if the engine warning lamp is flashing do not drive it, but if it stays on then I believe the error has cleared, but the system is telling you there was an issue and should be investigated.

As for the roof needing hydraulic fluid well thatâ€™s a bit concerning as it must be leaking somewhere.

There are definitely a few quirks to a cc. Try and perform the following.

Before staring the engine turn the key to the first point and allow the fuel pump to pump fuel in to the engine. Wait for the ticking noise to stop before turning the engine over and then allow the engine to run for a few seconds to allow oil to be pumped to the cylinder head (where the valves are) before pulling away.

If your car has been on a vigorous run. Allow the car to run for a few second when stopped.

Finally only ever operate the roof with the engine running.

Hope things turn out ok. You may want to consider returning the vehicle and getting a different car.

GIRLO · Post by **GIRLO** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:04 pm

Thanks for your reply lastvts, I'll certainly remember your tips and hope that they will help with the quirks.

The good news is that the engine issue is now sorted, the flush and treatment have cleared this.

The (very) bad news is that the roof IS NOT FIXED at all, and is currently stuck in the inside boot & lid closed position. There is no power at all, and it will not come back up. Luckily this happened while it was still with the mechanics, and they have now realised that fluid was not the problem, but in fact the hydraulic ram had stuck. A new part is on order and will arrive Monday, and I have told them this must be fitted and car returned to me no later than Tuesday. They have said they will guarantee the work they do, which Im quite happy about, and I have also now spoken with the owner of the car showroom about how dissatisfied I am generally with the car. We have discussed the car being returned and this is now an option, unless my terms are met by Tuesday. As a gesture of goodwill he has promised a full tank of petrol, full valet and bouquet of flowers on return. Id be happy with a car that just did what it was supposed to!!!!

My dream car has turned into a nightmare, but Im hoping that this can be resolved and turned round.
Should I choose to return the car I will be posting the reg and garage name on here as a warning to others!!

Thanks again for your time

Post by **GrandadMonkey** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:24 pm

Sorry to learn of your problems. At least you know why the previous owner got rid of it. Any more problems and I'd do the same.

Oh, and welcome to the forum

Ron

GIRLO · Post by **GIRLO** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:03 am

Hi GrandadMonkey ...... Thanks ....... I know its been a nightmare to be honest, and the clock is ticking.....I would still have another 206cc if this one doesnt work out. They have really picked the wrong person to "fob off" if thats what they are trying to do!!

lastvts · Post by **lastvts** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:45 pm

Hope things turn out well. Sounds like things are progressing. I have had 2 cars that started off with problems and had to go back to the garage within weeks of purchase. One turned out to be a nightmare for the rest of my ownership and the other never had another issue and turned out to be one of the best cars I have owned. Both were Peugeots. Hope your car is the later.

GIRLO · Post by **GIRLO** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 3:19 pm

Well, whatever the outcome I'll be letting everyone know.
I have found this site very useful for tips and bits of info, and hope to be a regular visitor, not just for negative nightmare problems either.....

Just bought a 2nd hand wind breaker, which should be here tomorrow - lets hope the car is too!!!

GIRLO · Post by **GIRLO** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:28 am

Hello again..... so I have the car back now - horray, and all appears to be working fine (touch wood). The replacement ram didnt work and it still faulted. The garage admitted they didnt know what to do and couldnt find the problem, and took it back to a Peugeot dealer for help. They replaced what they called the regulator, which seems to have solved it.

However, I have noticed that the grey cover in the boot/upper boot trim is not fastened down, and when the roof comes down into the boot it seems to "crumple" it into the space where the roof should be, which causes the process to stop, as the boot cant shut as the roof isnt in place properly. Putting the roof up, and flattening the cover seems to sort it but obviously I dont want to be doing this randomly when I want the roof down. Im not taking it back to the garage, because I actually dont think they know what they are doing, but wondered apart from making the boot look tidy and hide the wires etc does that cover serve any purpose?

Could we take it off comepletely or is it something that I could have replaced with a new one at a Peugeot dealer? It doesnt seem to be fastened in at the bottom (the part which is down behind the slide screen, I dont want to start pushing it down in case we damage something down there.

Again, would appreciate any suggestions/comments anyone has

Thanks

Post by **GrandadMonkey** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:47 am

If the Peugeot dealer replaced the regulator I'd get them to take a look at the cover. They'll know what they are looking at, and whether it needs refitting or replacing.