Project Update...NOT FOR CC LOVERS!!! More pics!!!

Post by **Lyndon** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 8:50 pm

will look forward too um

Chadd · Post by **Chadd** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:15 am

Hello, got a cd with soo many photos on it but not alot which will show you any different to what I have shown you. Had some major problems with front airbags tho, now it has to be changed to an air cylinder and piston on front with the bags in the boot. this has been done in america on a few civics but never anywhere else let alone on a cc in the uk. Its kinda the same setup as hydraulics but as ou guessed using air.

Also just a quick dilemma, I have been offered to have my engine turbo'd for a small price, it will kick out 270BHP at wheels or pay a further Â£3200 and have it at an unbeleivable 370BHP. I'm really not sure what to do now, I can add NOS to this aswel!

What shall I do??

Robbie · Post by **Robbie** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:25 am

Those power upgrades sound awsome

370hp

sounds fantastic for such little extra money. My worry would be whether the steering and chassis could cope with the power, and what the handling would be like. If its purely a show car and not intended to be taken to the limit then I don't suppose its an issue. My other concern is engine related, my current engine has been upgraded throughout at factory level using reinforced titanium parts etc for longjevity, it bears little resembelence to the standard 3.2 V6. Pulling that power on modded engines can often shorten engine life. But again, if its chiefly a show car then what the hell.

Umm. If the choice were mine with such temptation its a real close call, but if performance wise was my priority I'd probably choose the 270 bhp upgrade simply because I suspect it would be closer to the handling limit of a front wheel drive CC and safer on the engine. Thats because I like nothing better than to enjoy driving high performance cars to their utmost limit (where circumstances allow

). If it were intended chiefly as a show car, then the 370bhp would beckon

Robbie.

Jussi · Post by **Jussi** » Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:06 am

Yep, if it's a drive car (not only for show) then the 270bhp. version.
Now the car's bodymods are fantastic (because you got some power too...)

That 370bhp. conversion may be very difficult to drive in everyday use.

carl · Post by **carl** » Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:23 am

That 370bhp. conversion may be very difficult to drive in everyday use.

difficult=impossible
Imagine how frustrating it would be to find that 370bhp could only be used in 5th gear.
370bhp is *way* over the limit for what would be useable in a FWD car. It used to be reckoned that 200bhp was the limit, but lately some manufacturers have managed to push this to around 250bhp -- notably Alfa (147 GTA) and Ford (Focus RS). Note that as many magazine reviewers of the Focus RS hate it as love it ("rampant torquesteer is a phrase I recall").

If it's a "show car" why not leave the engine as standard (bolt some shiny bits on if you like) and say it's got 370bhp?

Pauline · Post by **Pauline** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:22 pm

Darren, I hate to say it m8, but I agree with the others. I'd be worried even doubling the performance to 270!!!!!! You've got to consider that it's not built for it so you've got to consider the capabilities of the suspension, brakes, chassis, steering etc - can they all handle it? Forget all that "show car" talk above, Aunty Pauline wants you safe in your CC!!!!!!

So 350bhp it is then?!!

Chadd · Post by **Chadd** » Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:53 pm

Darren, I hate to say it m8, but I agree with the others. I'd be worried even doubling the performance to 270!!!!!! You've got to consider that it's not built for it so you've got to consider the capabilities of the suspension, brakes, chassis, steering etc - can they all handle it? Forget all that "show car" talk above, Aunty Pauline wants you safe in your CC!!!!!! So 350bhp it is then?!!

Dont worry Aunty Pauline, the brakes, suspension, steering and chassis have already been upgraded so there's no probs there! Alos anything else gets done with the engine mods so I wont get any probs apart from running out of fuel every minute.

carl · Post by **carl** » Fri Dec 05, 2003 1:18 am

Maybe 370bhp in a FWD will be OK when you're driving in reverse

There was an interesting article in today's "Metro" (that's a paper you get on the tube, not a paper about Austin Rover's finest.....) where a guy had a modded Bentley. He'd bought a damaged Mulsanne Turbo for Â£7k then spent Â£12k doing it up. He did the work himself, so it was a lot cheaper but now he reckons it's worth Â£50k (yeah right :rolleyes: ). But although I thought it looked crap (really tacky, the whole thing dripping in plastic) it struck me that a Mulsanne Turbo would make a better base for a "project" of this nature than a CC.

I did a quick google and the guy's web site is here. Bentley isn't really to my taste but there's some pretty good stuff on there (Aurora, stretch Mini, Pontiac Silverstreak, Lancia Fulvia, Cord 812 Phaeton Sedan...)

Actually the Bentley looks better on that page than it did in Metro. Maybe the photo I saw was just a crap shot.

paul_y3k · Post by **paul_y3k** » Fri Dec 05, 2003 9:17 am

hmm performance mods on what has tro be pug's most dodgy engine ? I looked into this with my cc and got quite far investigating a supercharger to take it up around 300bhp ... basicaaly the whole engine internals would need upgrading to cope with the extra power, and the shocks breaks etc. I've no longer got the email, but basically the 206 engine isn't built for power, whereas the 306 gti 6 engine is. We came to the conclusion that the easiest and safetst (reliable) way forward was a gti6 conversion and then to play with that.
but the point about anything over 220bhp is lost in wheel spin is well made.
Also regarding all the airbags .... can they provide the sort of response and 'hardness' that you'd need if you were running those high bhp numbers ? I alsways kinda figured that airbags were show use only and that the ride isn't that good. Kinda scary cornernig with big horses and the car starts to wallow i'd imagine.

Chadd · Post by **Chadd** » Sat Dec 06, 2003 3:26 pm

hmm performance mods on what has tro be pug's most dodgy engine ? I looked into this with my cc and got quite far investigating a supercharger to take it up around 300bhp ... basicaaly the whole engine internals would need upgrading to cope with the extra power, and the shocks breaks etc. I've no longer got the email, but basically the 206 engine isn't built for power, whereas the 306 gti 6 engine is. We came to the conclusion that the easiest and safetst (reliable) way forward was a gti6 conversion and then to play with that.
but the point about anything over 220bhp is lost in wheel spin is well made.
Also regarding all the airbags .... can they provide the sort of response and 'hardness' that you'd need if you were running those high bhp numbers ? I alsways kinda figured that airbags were show use only and that the ride isn't that good. Kinda scary cornernig with big horses and the car starts to wallow i'd imagine.

I've been looking into it now for over a year, the engine will be completely rebuilt with everything upgraded. I looked in to Supercharging it but was advised the 206 engine will not stand up to it inless you rebuild it so its not worht all the hassle for a supercharger also your struggle to get it over 250BHP as superchargers will only give out up to 70% extra of your original BHP. Turbo is different as its more power so worth spending the money on. The ppl who will be building mine build all Ecosse's engine conversions etc so its all in safe an good hands.
The airbags are not just for show use, they are quite good for replacing struts etc. yes it goes up and down but also can be very stiff or soft depending on how good your set up is, you can control all this from in the car....so you set it up to run low but up the pressure so it becomes more ridgid so you wont get that much wallow.

clarelee · Post by **clarelee** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 5:08 pm

If you are planning on either or these horsepower levels have you put thought on the transaxle, I doubt whether the standard one would be good enough to handle 270+ bhp.

Pauline · Post by **Pauline** » Sun Dec 07, 2003 8:07 pm

These air bags - I take it you're not talking about the thing in your steering wheel?

Chadd · Post by **Chadd** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 9:12 pm

If you are planning on either or these horsepower levels have you put thought on the transaxle, I doubt whether the standard one would be good enough to handle 270+ bhp.

everything has been taken into consideration otherwise they wouldn't do it, these ppl build ecosse's engines and cars to withstand it, i have never heard of any ecosse cars falling apart.

Chadd · Post by **Chadd** » Mon Dec 08, 2003 9:13 pm

These air bags - I take it you're not talking about the thing in your steering wheel?

oh no I'm talking about my suspension. I havnt got my original steering wheel as getting a fancy one.

rob · Post by **rob** » Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:28 pm

wasnt this supposed to be the first CC with this body kit fitted.

The reason I ask is that earlier this week I saw the Sony X-plod demonstrator 206CC on a sat tv and it had this kit on.

If anyone is interested I will get a clip of it over to Lyndon. Its brief, but its certainly this body kit.