Stability problems anyone? Please vote

TheMinel · Post by **TheMinel** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 3:23 pm

ok guys, please take a second to vote on this one....
I'm having a discussionon on another forum (an italian one), with people saying that the CC ABSOLUTELY needs the ESP as it is a car that, in emergency maneuvres, loses stability of the rear wheels.
Personally, it's the first time I hear about that..... what do you say?

Cheers

charlieannear · Post by **charlieannear** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 3:29 pm

I've never heard that.

TheMinel · Post by **TheMinel** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 3:34 pm

thanks

MattB · Post by **MattB** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 4:00 pm

I've never heard of it either, but to be honest I've never been in an emergency in the CC.

When I first had the car I managed to get the back to slide out slightly, but it was going at speed over a sharp hill on a left hand bend.. so you sort of expect it!

At the end of the day the CC isn't a sports car so won't handle as well as a rear engined RWD car, but I never experienced any lack of stability or control when I was pushing the CC hard.

TheMinel · Post by **TheMinel** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 4:15 pm

apparently they have an article in the biggest and most reliable car magazine in Italy where they have the tests to support this... hopefully they'll manage to scan it and send it to me ..... I'm curious now!

rob · Post by **rob** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:04 pm

I hope you are planning to translate it for us lot

Duncan · Post by **Duncan** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:40 pm

if you read
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plai ... ly002.html
you may gain a small insight into the Itallian stability problem

britboy · Post by **britboy** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:57 pm

I pressed yes because I thought you were on about the scuttle problem.

But now I've read your mail I meant no.

:rolleyes:

doh

MattB · Post by **MattB** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 6:13 pm

http://users.volja.net/alesh/primerjava.jpg

It could well be from the article mentioned above. Not sure exactly what speeds are involved in the pictures but the 206 and 206cc in particular don't look too impressive compared with a Toyota Yaris

That looks fun!!

Yeah I see what you mean though... but I'm sure there are many more cars than the 206 & 206CC that would lose the backend in a similar way.

teddy206 GTi · Post by **teddy206 GTi** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:29 pm

are you referring the the 'lift off' oversteer that is a trademark of pretty much all Peugeot/Citroens handling?

MattB · Post by **MattB** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:32 pm

Any idea if the 206 has passive rear wheel steer? The 306s do and apparently it makes a noticeable difference (well I haven't slid out the 306 yet.. but at only 90bhp it's not easy!)

WebCode · Post by **WebCode** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 8:30 pm

No the 206 does not have "passive" rear steer.. The Beam in Solidly bolted to the chassis..

Lift off over steer can be a problem with most Peugeot/Citroen's.. It is something that will catch U unaware.. But it only really happens at speed/sharp cornering..
If you do "loose" it then floor the gas pedal to recover.. Do not lift of the throttle cos that will make it worse..

Darth Bourj · Post by **Darth Bourj** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 10:38 pm

I will defend the 206 CC until the end, but on this one issue I have to disagree. The standard rear end is a problem. Previous to getting my car lowered I remember an incident at a roundabout where I did a kind of snaking maneuver and the rear end felt too soft and sprang dangerously back out of the maneuver. Nothing to do with my driving of course. I wouldnâ€™t call it lift off over steer. Lift off over steer is fun. This however was not.

I believe thicker anti roll bars from the GTI Will help stop this. Thicker still on the 180gti or SW. Web code should be able to advise as he lowered and sorted my handling issues.

I later had an incident where I had to turn and brake sharply at 70mph and the car performed excellently. This was after it was lowered, but I think it had more to do with the electronic braking control rather than anything else. Turning and braking does not seem to be the problem. It is when you turn the wheel several time in opposing direction that makes the car unbalanced.

I sound like a dodgy driver. I am normally a very safe driver. Honest officer. :rolleyes:

TheMinel · Post by **TheMinel** » Sat Sep 27, 2003 4:11 pm

The guys were going on about the stability during cornering @ high speed and emergency maneuvres such as avoid something @ high speed.
I think the pics in Nick's link are actually the ones of the article I was mentioned by the other guys , as I can see italian writing on the top.
Might that be true then? I haven't got ESP, hopefully I'll never find myself in situations where I would need it!