I've just been over to Simons site on http://www.pugsport-gti.co.uk and i have to be honest Jimmy, you're not doing yourself any favours with the un-necessary spamming. I think the only reason Simon hasn't deleted all that crap is because it is ultimately turning people against you and your cause. The legal way is the only way to go and doing what you're currently doing is only lending weight to Simons case and not your own....
Go and delete it mate, and just leave it in there once...
(Please don't slag me off for this its only a friendly piece of advice...)
Greg
Is Simon really that busy???????
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gtb5
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Okay people it seems a lot of you are saying about the lights lost in mail and his responsibility should end there. For one thing I did not turn down any insurance since he did not offer any. But the point is he said the lights were lost in mail, but I don't think he's even sent it, cos it took like a few weeks for him to get me that send number, don't you get the number RIGHT after you send the item???? And in the end the number isn't even valid at all!! He has never sent me any proof that has has sent the item. HE HAS NO PROOF THAT HE HAS SENT THE LIGHTS. Even if he has sent he said would get the claim from insurance, so why am I responsible for this!!!?? This guy is the worst liar in the world!! It's been 4 months people, he has promised a second set but never received cos he said the quality wasn't good, oh and a free set of front grill that is supposed to have sent on July 3, but where is it now!!!?? YESTERDAY I RECEIVED A CHEQUE FROM HIM FOR THE REFUND, A CHEQUE NOT BANK DRAFT, I ALREADY SENT MY BANK INFORMATION TO HIM ON JUNE 3 PEOPLE!!!!!!!!! WHY DIDN'T HE JUST WIRE THE GOD DAMN MONEY TO my BANK AND THAT'S ALL, IT ENDS RIGHT THERE NO MORE POSTING OR SPAMMING RIGHT. OH NO HE HAS TO SEND A CHEQUE, SO NOW WHAT DO I DO???? IT'LL TAKE UP TO A MONTH FOR THIS CHEQUE TO CLEAR, AND IT WILL COST ABOUT 25 POUNDS FOR SERVICE CHARGE, BUT IF IT BOUNCES I'LL LOSE THE 25 POUNDS. HOW CAN I TRUST THIS CHEQUE WILL NOT BOUNCE!!!???IT'S A PERFECT PLAN ISN'T IT???? JUST SEND ME A CHEQUE AND YOU THINK THIS THING IS OVER??? WHY CAN'T YOU JUST WIRE THE MONEY AND I'LL TEAR UP THE CHEQUE OR YOU CAN STOP PAYMENT, SIMON I'VE ALREADY EMAILED TO YOU BUT NO REPLIED AGAIN!!!! WHY DON'T YOU JUST WIRE ME THE GOD DAMN MONEY TODAY AND FINISH THIS MESS, I DON'T WANT TO WAIT FOR LIKE A MONTH FOR THE STUPID CHEQUE TO CLEAR, JUST GO TO YOUR BANK AND WIRE IF YOU HAVE INTENTION TO PAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SORRY BUT MY NEXT STEP IS TO POST ALL THE EMAIL COMMUNICAITONS HERE BEGINNING FROM MAR 26(!!!!!) IF I DON'T SEE THE REFUND IN MY ACCOUNT THE NEXT FEW DAYS, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO THINK I'M WASTING YOUR TIME I'M VERY SORRY AND PLEASE DON'T CLICK IN THIS TOPIC.
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gtb5
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And about the spamming, do you think he'll even send me this stupid cheque if I didn't spam, how long do I have to be polite???? For 4 more months????? What do I get to be nice????? Some of you saying these things cos you're not in the same situation, like I said before why don't you send me 225 pounds and see how hard it is to get it back if I'm intentionally messing with you!!!!!! It's impossible to please everyone but that's life isn't it!!??
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SUPPORT FOR GTB5
Well I think Gtb5 is right (sorry Greg).
1). If Simon sent expensive items through the postal system to Gtb5 and for whaever reason these goods don't get delivered, then if it were me, in my view I would hold SIMON TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE. I think its up to the seller, Simon, to ensure an effective method of delivery, and add it to costs or not take the order. If there's not even proof of dispatch, then that im my view this is totally the senders fault.
I'm only a private individual, but if I sold something EXPENSIVE I would have the business sense to insist on covering myself by adding proof of delivery costs on top of the item sold or not take the order.
2). I don't think Gtb5 is spamming up Simon's site at all. Gtb5 isn't stopping other members from posting on Simon's forum as normal, and I think in the circumstances Gtb5 is perfectly justified in feeling that this is his last option to deal with Simon.I support Gtb5's actions in this respect provided such actions do not become abusive.
I think Gtb5 airing his views on Simon's forum has helped as, in my view, I believe Gtb5 wouldn't eve have a cheque from Simon in his hands today.
Well those are my thought anyway, and I feel very sympathetic towards GTB5 for all the inconveniance and pressures Simon has put him through, such inconvenience and pressures incidently could easily have made a person very ill, and in that respect, you can never put a price on something like that.
If GTB5 is still out of pocket for costs related in cashing a cheque, etc, I think Gtb5 also has a justifiable case to continue his campaign until he gets full reimbursement from Simon.
Robbie
Well I think Gtb5 is right (sorry Greg).
1). If Simon sent expensive items through the postal system to Gtb5 and for whaever reason these goods don't get delivered, then if it were me, in my view I would hold SIMON TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE. I think its up to the seller, Simon, to ensure an effective method of delivery, and add it to costs or not take the order. If there's not even proof of dispatch, then that im my view this is totally the senders fault.
I'm only a private individual, but if I sold something EXPENSIVE I would have the business sense to insist on covering myself by adding proof of delivery costs on top of the item sold or not take the order.
2). I don't think Gtb5 is spamming up Simon's site at all. Gtb5 isn't stopping other members from posting on Simon's forum as normal, and I think in the circumstances Gtb5 is perfectly justified in feeling that this is his last option to deal with Simon.I support Gtb5's actions in this respect provided such actions do not become abusive.
I think Gtb5 airing his views on Simon's forum has helped as, in my view, I believe Gtb5 wouldn't eve have a cheque from Simon in his hands today.
Well those are my thought anyway, and I feel very sympathetic towards GTB5 for all the inconveniance and pressures Simon has put him through, such inconvenience and pressures incidently could easily have made a person very ill, and in that respect, you can never put a price on something like that.
If GTB5 is still out of pocket for costs related in cashing a cheque, etc, I think Gtb5 also has a justifiable case to continue his campaign until he gets full reimbursement from Simon.
Robbie
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Rob S
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that is crap, maybe cos u don't use the board regularly but it was almost 2 pages of the same thread being copied and pasted. Childish replys to people's comments.On 2002-07-26 09:01, Robbie wrote:
2). I don't think Gtb5 is spamming up Simon's site at all. Gtb5 isn't stopping other members from posting on Simon's forum as normal
ah well, seems u were right Dale
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Robbie and Jimmy...I'm not saying i don't totally agree with everything that has happened so far (except the spamming)...i appreciate Jimmys at the end of his tether and has been for some time. BUT...
Jimmy has/had a lot of support for his cause, here, on Speedboys site AND on Simons site. However, the cut and paste spamming and abusive remarks to anyone who cared to answer the spamming has just drawn atention away form the issue. To get people on your side and keep them there isn't hard to do if they agree with the issue in question. But to "rubbish" these people and tell them not to stick their noses in doesn't do anything except turn them against you. If you post on a public forum, you have to be willing to listen to peoples opinions whether you agree with them or not.
Simon is playing this very well at the moment because he is continuing to let Jimmy spam his site, the abuse is getting stronger as Jimmy is (understandably) getting angrier. But Simon knows that the longer he ignores Jimmy the more people will gradually get bored with the issue and lose sympathy and come to think of Jimmy as a "crackpot" (come on, those 'cut and paste' messages hint strongly of 'all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy' and look how that film ended!)
This topic has the most hits on it by miles so people are still interested in the story. Jimmy is 100% right to demand all that he is owed. But just remember - this is a business transaction and not a school-yard brawl. Keep it as such and you'll keep peoples support.
Simon - the world is waiting....silence is incriminating.
Jimmy has/had a lot of support for his cause, here, on Speedboys site AND on Simons site. However, the cut and paste spamming and abusive remarks to anyone who cared to answer the spamming has just drawn atention away form the issue. To get people on your side and keep them there isn't hard to do if they agree with the issue in question. But to "rubbish" these people and tell them not to stick their noses in doesn't do anything except turn them against you. If you post on a public forum, you have to be willing to listen to peoples opinions whether you agree with them or not.
Simon is playing this very well at the moment because he is continuing to let Jimmy spam his site, the abuse is getting stronger as Jimmy is (understandably) getting angrier. But Simon knows that the longer he ignores Jimmy the more people will gradually get bored with the issue and lose sympathy and come to think of Jimmy as a "crackpot" (come on, those 'cut and paste' messages hint strongly of 'all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy' and look how that film ended!)
This topic has the most hits on it by miles so people are still interested in the story. Jimmy is 100% right to demand all that he is owed. But just remember - this is a business transaction and not a school-yard brawl. Keep it as such and you'll keep peoples support.
Simon - the world is waiting....silence is incriminating.
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As this is a constructive debate, what is this idea of spamming, is it unwanted advertising/posts?. I suppose it depends on how you see the issue, yes I suppose its spamming to Simon and people that use the site but to Gtb5 and other sympathetic people who feel outraged at Simons abusive treatment towards Gtb5, its justifiable advertising. Like I said, provided its NOT abusive, then I can see no reason why such advertising of Simons behaviour should not continue. If those sympathetic to Simon have a problem with GTB5's advertising then they a) don't have to read it and can ignore it. b). Can post away from those threads so is there really such a problem of spamming as certain people are leading us to believe? I've visited Simon's site and think not.
I think Simon was the first to suggest on his site for others to keep their noses out of this issue, that obviously wasn't going to happen. Some may view Gtb5's behaviour as childish, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I myself feel that Gtb5's advertising serves as an important warning for potential buyers on the Simon Pugsport site, as I say, provided such posts are NOT abusive.
I think we all know Simons not going to post because he was originally in the wrong.
Nothing he can say will alter that, so why would Simon bother to post?
I still very much support Gtb5 and believe "what goes around comes around".
Simon is currently enjoying the fruits of his labours.
Robbie.
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I think Simon was the first to suggest on his site for others to keep their noses out of this issue, that obviously wasn't going to happen. Some may view Gtb5's behaviour as childish, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but I myself feel that Gtb5's advertising serves as an important warning for potential buyers on the Simon Pugsport site, as I say, provided such posts are NOT abusive.
I think we all know Simons not going to post because he was originally in the wrong.
Nothing he can say will alter that, so why would Simon bother to post?
I still very much support Gtb5 and believe "what goes around comes around".
Simon is currently enjoying the fruits of his labours.
Robbie.
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no! he did post the odd thread about his problem and people posted on these threads and took a interest. This was fine! But then replies from him became offensive, and finally the spamming i refer to is 2 full pages of thread titles (not one single thread!) which is probably 30odd different threads. This is spamming.On 2002-07-26 19:28, Robbie wrote:
As this is a constructive debate, what is this idea of spamming, is it unwanted advertising/posts.
read what i've written above, he was plainly abusing the forum and it's members.Like I said, provided its NOT abusive,
leading u to believe? tbh u are obviously not a regular user of the forum, u visted it about 2 days ago? u would've seen what i was referring too. If u mean now... well simon has closed the forums because it p***ed so many people off.b). Can post away from those threads so is there really such a problem of spamming as certain people are leading us to believe? I've visited Simon's site and think not.
point in fact, me and quite a few other users was in the process of arranging a big 206 meet up, just like u have on this forum - forum is now closed, so thats not going to happen now as arrangements were only just coming together.
Interested to know what u mean, simon is doing fine and is in the process of doing a 106 engine conversion.Simon is currently enjoying the fruits of his labours.
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Robbie
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I do value everyone's opinion on this site, if Gtb5 was abusive then he was clearly in the wrong though I suspect it may have surfaced out of desperation to obtain monies Simon clearly seems to owe him, and over a considerable length of time.
If Simon has closed the forum I suspect its only temporary, but in my view Simon only has himself to blame - and that is my opinion for what it's worth. But you won't find posts on this forum complaining about goods not received sent by fellow members because people that do business such as Rob and Derek, do things properly. If Simon conducted his business in a more sensible manner, Simon would not be in the sorry state that he is now.
It is clear Simon lost business due to the warnings issued by Gtb5, that is without question as people have already made clear in posts that they were cancelling proposed orders through Simon, and that issue is what was meant by the comment in my last post. You treat others the way you would like to be treated and there shouldn't be a problem, it works for me.
In the meantime, why not come to Pug meetings arranged on this forum, or arrange some here yourself, you'll find us all very friendly here, including myself.
Robbie.
If Simon has closed the forum I suspect its only temporary, but in my view Simon only has himself to blame - and that is my opinion for what it's worth. But you won't find posts on this forum complaining about goods not received sent by fellow members because people that do business such as Rob and Derek, do things properly. If Simon conducted his business in a more sensible manner, Simon would not be in the sorry state that he is now.
It is clear Simon lost business due to the warnings issued by Gtb5, that is without question as people have already made clear in posts that they were cancelling proposed orders through Simon, and that issue is what was meant by the comment in my last post. You treat others the way you would like to be treated and there shouldn't be a problem, it works for me.
In the meantime, why not come to Pug meetings arranged on this forum, or arrange some here yourself, you'll find us all very friendly here, including myself.
Robbie.
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Rob S
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this i agree with u on, probably desperationthough I suspect it may have surfaced out of desperation to obtain monies Simon clearly seems to owe him, and over a considerable length of time.
Heheh, i did used to be a regular user of the old style 206cc forum but i'm a regular forum member now over on the PGAC forum - very popular place now. I don't have a CC tho, just a 206XSi so i'd stand out a little if i came to one of your meets!
glad i've been able to put another view of this on the table without it getting too heated or offensive.
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Mark206cc
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he owes the PGAC £200 and ain't paying
getting worried
ignores emails phone calls etc... I keep getting told he is too busy to reply.
A club that charges £10 per year can't afford to be bumped off either
Si - send the £200 please, you know who to and where
Mark
getting worried
ignores emails phone calls etc... I keep getting told he is too busy to reply.
A club that charges £10 per year can't afford to be bumped off either
Si - send the £200 please, you know who to and where
Mark
Peugeot GTi Autosport Club Chairman
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