New waterpump: timing belt as well?

DavidGilmour · Post by **DavidGilmour** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:41 pm

Last year (45.000 km ago) I had the timing belt replaced but they didn't exchange the waterpump. Now I have to exchange the waterpump. Do I have to change the timing belt again? The first timing belt lasted 145.000 km. So this one will go for at least 90 km/3 years.

Anyone any ideas?

Post by **GrandadMonkey** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:48 pm

By far the major cost of replacing either a water pump or a timing belt is the charge for labour. There is the same amount of labour in doing both, or either. As the belt has to come off to replace the water pump, if it was me I'd slip a brand new belt on at the same time. What does a belt cost.......£15.00 ? To me it's a no-brainer!
Shame you didn't have the water pump renewed at the same time as the belt last year though. Maybe others will read this and understand more the benefits of doing both at the same time.
We live and learn...

DavidGilmour · Post by **DavidGilmour** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:59 pm

GrandadMonkey wrote:By far the major cost of replacing either a water pump or a timing belt is the charge for labour. There is the same amount of labour in doing both, or either. As the belt has to come off to replace the water pump, if it was me I'd slip a brand new belt on at the same time. What does a belt cost.......£15.00 ? To me it's a no-brainer!
Shame you didn't have the water pump renewed at the same time as the belt last year though. Maybe others will read this and understand more the benefits of doing both at the same time.
We live and learn...

Thanks. I brought the car to the official Peugeot dealer and they advised me not to change the waterpump then because they said it was in great condition, no leaks at all....

They did change the belt and the other things that go together with the belt. Too bad they didn't do the waterpump

Another life lesson

Post by **GrandadMonkey** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:37 pm

I can't blame you for taking the advice of an official Peugeot dealer David. Most folk would do the same. Trouble is, the dealer now benefits from more servicing/repair work on the car assuming you are taking it back to them to change the water pump. The dealer doesn't lose either way. I should remind them of their advice - they might offer a discount on the work. Even 10% off would be good!
Ron

Rabuto · Post by **Rabuto** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:20 pm

GrandadMonkey wrote:By far the major cost of replacing either a water pump or a timing belt is the charge for labour. There is the same amount of labour in doing both, or either. As the belt has to come off to replace the water pump, if it was me I'd slip a brand new belt on at the same time. What does a belt cost.......£15.00 ? To me it's a no-brainer!
Shame you didn't have the water pump renewed at the same time as the belt last year though. Maybe others will read this and understand more the benefits of doing both at the same time.
We live and learn...

£15 for timing belt!! I've been quoted £65 (my hatchback cost £80) and £35 for water pump. Didnt think this included labour - maybe it does then?!

These are prices from a local (very reliable and cheap) garage I always use.

Post by **GrandadMonkey** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:09 pm

I think the £65 that you have been quoted will include new tensioner and idler pulleys which one would normally replace at the same time as the belt. They are bought as a timing belt replacement kit. However as David only had the belt changed last year (which would have been the timing belt kit including the pulleys mentioned above) I would suggest changing only the belt. The tensioner and idler pulleys that were fitted last year will be virtually as new, and should last as long as a new belt fitted now.
I'm pretty sure that a belt alone will be available for £15.
Check it out if you think I'm wrong.
Ron

Rabuto · Post by **Rabuto** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:29 pm

Hello!

Yes, your absolutely right, I was quoted for a timing belt kit

Mine has been done now - only the belt, didnt need pulleys etc also didnt need water pump either, which saved me a few quid

DavidGilmour · Post by **DavidGilmour** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:52 pm

Rabuto wrote:Hello!

Yes, your absolutely right, I was quoted for a timing belt kit Mine has been done now - only the belt, didnt need pulleys etc also didnt need water pump either, which saved me a few quid

Well, after all the water pump wasn't broken , it was some part that spinned the multibelt. Wasn't cheap though, 150 pounds, almost as expensive as exchanging the water pump. But now my car has run 200.000 km with the original water pump. Will keep everyone updated when the water pump breaks

zandpiper · Post by **zandpiper** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:58 pm

Hello,
I was quite surprised over here in France where a sevice for my Peugeot 206cc cost 1,253 euros or
£1044. This included changing the water pump plus kit which cost 284 euros(£236) and 97 euros (£81) to fit the kit.
The pump was ok before being changed. The battery was also ok but they changed that too.

Post by **GrandadMonkey** » Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:39 am

Welcome to the forum.

That seems a trifle dear but at least you should be ok for another 8 years now at least with the belt, water pump & battery. The change of coolant will have done it good too. How old is the car? Which engine?

RammyTheCat · Post by **RammyTheCat** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:46 pm

My car is 10 years old and is on 76000 miles and I've already got it booked in next month for a service and timing belt change. Should I have the water pump changed as well?

fatboyslim · Post by **fatboyslim** » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:52 pm

RammyTheCat wrote:My car is 10 years old and is on 76000 miles and I've already got it booked in next month for a service and timing belt change. Should I have the water pump changed as well?

Yes it would be a good idea to get it changed,will cost around £35 for the water pump and a bit extra labour
If you don't get it changed and later down the line the pump starts to leak then you'll pay a lot more to have it fixed

Post by **GrandadMonkey** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:36 am

I agree that it would be wise to renew the water pump and coolant at the same time as the belt and pulleys.

zandpiper · Post by **zandpiper** » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:39 pm

GrandadMonkey wrote:Welcome to the forum.

That seems a trifle dear but at least you should be ok for another 8 years now at least with the belt, water pump & battery. The change of coolant will have done it good too. How old is the car? Which engine?

Thanks for your comment GrandadMonkey.The engine is 1600cc but has only done 38,000 miles. It is my wife's car-she has only done 2000 miles in the last five years.

gazza82 · Post by **gazza82** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:14 pm

Belt's go with age too ... especially low mileage ones. They should be replaced according to the handbook either when the mileage is up OR the age of the belts.

And waterpumps don't just fail due to the mileage .. the seals can dry out or the bearing fail early .. I've had one last 10 years and the replacement three! (That wasn't a 206 but the same applies to all cars). If the belts are over-tensioned the pump bearing takes the strain.

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