Problem with my 206

gandalff · Post by **gandalff** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:24 pm

Hi all
I have a 2000 (V) reg 1.4 petrol 206.
Yesterday on my way to work I started of from home and had done about quarter of a mile, when I noticed my engine power had just gone all of a sudden when I tried to do a hill start at the traffic lights, I had hardly any power at all, PLUS there was white smoke/steam belching from the exhaust.
I thought, dam, b****y head gasket.
Anyway I managed to get it home, the power came back but I was still giving out white exhaust.
I took a look underneath and noticed the back silencer box had blown away from the exhaust-pipe, so I sorted all that out, but now I still get the odd white smoke now and then, and my engine sort of misses, but then picks up again, when I put my foot right down, it's like a rocket, no problem.
So in desperation I took it to my local garage, now this guy is brilliant, honestly, he really is. anyway he ran a test on the head gasket and said it was fine, nothing wrong with it at all. (He put that exhaust machine pipe in the coolant container, plus he ran a ECM check and the head gasket result came back fine.
He then said there were loads of different things that could be causing it and to go through each one , one by one would cost a bomb, he said just drive it till it either clears itself or the offending part packs in altogether, or gets really bad that it would be obvious (to him) what the cause was. He would come out and recover the car as he is OK, like that (no-charge lol)
Now I'm not really used to these onboard computers etc, I'm one of the old hands so to speak, but I must admit this has me baffled.
All I can think is the exhaust fumes built up in the back box as they had not been ignited by the engine, then decided to ignite and blow my exhaust to bits (this was at the lights as I said earlier.) but this white smoke is a problem, its not there all the time like you would expect from a blown head gasket, and I suspect that possibly one or more of the plugs might be faulty, hence the intermittent missing.
Have any of you far more knowledgable people any ideas what my problem could be.
Its driving me nuts. lol
cheers
Gandalff

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 4:04 pm

You might not get much of a response on here as most owners are CC owners and the CC was never released in a 1.4 model.

gandalff · Post by **gandalff** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 5:35 pm

Hi
Sorry to sound thick, but what is a CC ?
thanks
Gandalff

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 8:39 pm

206CC is the Coupe Cabriolet version of the 206 (with the metal folding roof) this is the owners club for the 206CC.

gandalff · Post by **gandalff** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:25 pm

Globetrotter wrote:206CC is the Coupe Cabriolet version of the 206 (with the metal folding roof) this is the owners club for the 206CC.

Author: gandalff

Hi Lucy

Oh right, I see.
But then again, the Peugeot 206 model with the folding roof still has a Peugeot 206 engine under the bonnet doesn't it? Or am I missing something, dont tell me its a ford engine PLEASE.

So I am unable to see any difference in my question, if I had a 206cc instead of an ordinary Pugeot 206.
So what you are saying is, if I started my post stating I had a Pugeot 206cc, I would have page after page of possible solutions to my problem.

Or am I to take it that this group is purely for the problems concerning leaking roofs etc.

Or could it possibly be because people who may have read my post are unable to help.

Gandalff

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:42 pm

Hi Gandalff,

First off, my name is not Lucy, Lucy is the name of my car.
Sorry if you found my post aggressive, I'm sensing some frustration in your reply.

My point wasn't that no one will help you because it's a hatch, my point was that although the CC does share some engines with 206 hatches, it was never produced with a 1.4 engine so if the problem is a known problem specific to the 1.4 engine none of the 206cc owners would have experienced it first hand. So, in a sense, your statement that those who read your post are unable to help is unfortunatly likely to be true.

Try heading over to www.206info.co.uk They may have more experience of issues with the 1.4 engine.

Feel free to let us know how you get on!

Cheers,
Globetrotter.

Post by **GrandadMonkey** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:29 am

Gandalff,
Globetrotter was only trying to be helpful and constructive to you. No-one on this forum is likely to be familiar with your engine unless he/she is a mechanic.
As for your suggestion that they might be putting Ford engines in Peugeots, don't smirk....... 207's have engines jointly developed by BMW, and Rover diesels have had Peugeot engines for years, and Fiat diesels are popping up all over the place.....in the new Ford Ka for example.

Your problem sounds like EGR valve. Try replacing it. But check that the 1.4 petrol engine has an EGR valve first !

Good luck in getting a proper diagnosis from your brilliant local garage, who hasn't managed to do so, so far.

Ron

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:34 am

Thanks Ron,
I didn't take offense, I re-read my original post and I can see where Gandalff was coming from, it could be read to be quite elitist and condescending, was never my intention though.

Hope Gandalf has some luck at 206info, it's a shame that 206online.com is gone, I gurantee a couple of the old hands over there would have been able to help.

reap · Post by **reap** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:57 pm

you need a coil pack(modified type) and bosch plugs. very common on the 1.4 kfw engines.
unburnt fuel goes into the exhaust cause of misfire, evenually explodes in exhaust causing it come apart. not to disimilar as a rally car.

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:13 pm

reap wrote:you need a coil pack(modified type) and bosch plugs. very common on the 1.4 kfw engines.
unburnt fuel goes into the exhaust cause of misfire, evenually explodes in exhaust causing it come apart. not to disimilar as a rally car.

Wahey, I stand corrected, hope that helps!

Post by **GrandadMonkey** » Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:10 am

Thanks reap, to the rescue yet again. What a star!
Ron

vangellis · Post by **vangellis** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 6:09 pm

Hi everyone, its Gandalff here. I couldn't login using my previous account of Gandalff.

Anyway, I'm very sorry Globetrotter if I sounded offensive or sarcastic in any way as I certainly did not intend to do so, I got you point about it being for a cc type 206 but was unaware that they had different engines to the standard range of 206's I do apologise.
You see I am beginning to fall behind the times with all these more mdern cars out today. lol. I am more familiar with the old rear wheel drive models. :-)

Thanks reap for you solution which may very well of caused my problem. Anyway to cut a long story short I decided to take the head of and check it out myself, despite what my local garage advised as I was going to do a timing belt change as course of par anyway. And YES the head gasket had blown despite the hydrocarbon test in the header tank reading normal. It had gone between the two centre chambers where water was getting into the oil duct and also the combustion chamber itself on number 2 cylinder, hence the negative reading on the hydrocarbon test. It became obvious as I was driving along a day or so after my last post and looked in my rear view mirror, I couldnt see a thing, just thick white smoke everywhere lol.

Skimmed the head myself in my workshop (fitter and turner by trade) new head gasket, new cam cover gasket, new timing belt, new Bosch plugs, Oil change,Air and oil filter, emptied water completly, refilled with water/antifreeze mix
Disconnected battery to clear memory on ECU. re-connected went for half hour run putting it through various driving condition and now she's running like a dream.
I think I shall renew the coilpack with a modified version as suggested though, It may prevent it from going again.
Thanks for help and suggestions
regards
Gandalff
(vangellis)

Post by **GrandadMonkey** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:31 am

Well done! I'm impressed. Glad you've got it sorted. All your own work too!

Ron