How can you tell if its a HDI CC?

tiranova · Post by **tiranova** » Tue Jul 05, 2005 7:36 pm

I know how to tell the difference between a 1.6 and a 2.0L (different alloys and oval not round exaust pipe)

But what tells you its a HDI? (other than the sound!)

Derek · Post by **Derek** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:50 am

Doesn't it have a badge on the back ?

tiranova · Post by **tiranova** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:35 pm

Doesn't it have a badge on the back ?

That would do it then

Is anyone daft enough to actually have one?

Derek · Post by **Derek** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:53 pm

I'm not saying it does have a badge but all other HDi models do so I would expect it to have.

There was a test in Auto Express a week or so ago and their average mpg was only something like 40.7 so not very impressive.

I would have got a 307CC if they did it as an HDi but not if economy was going to be nothing special - thankfully I saw the light and got the 350Zr

carl · Post by **carl** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:25 am

But what tells you its a HDI? (other than the sound!)

The black smoke? The infrequency with which it is spotted in the petrol station?

Surely the only reason you could tell a 2.0 from a 1.6 was because the 2.0 is "SE" spec hence the bigger wheels, etc? If you could have got a 1.6 SE they would have been indistinguishable, I guess?

Derek · Post by **Derek** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:38 pm

Just read a review in this weeks auto express of the HDi with the Tigra CDTi.

If they used the correct pics then there is no HDi badge, it has leather interior standard, 16" nimrods and oval exhaust so it looks exactly like a 2.0SE with leather and probably a 2.0 allure although i'm not 100% of the allure spec.

johlle · Post by **johlle** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:43 pm

The petrol/diesel debate is gonna run & run, so here, for what it is worth is my perspective.....
1) My dealer suggests that the 2.0 litre MAY not be around much longer....he reckons 2.0 sales are sluggish due to higher fuel costs, and this shows in 2nd hand trade-in values. He sells more 1.6's than 2.0's
2) In Europe sales would improve if a diesel was available because their diesel fuel costs much less than here. Thanks to Mr Blair & Mr Brown.....
3) If the over-hyped Tigra has a diesel then it makes sense for Peugeot to match it with a diesel since Peugeot DO make the best diesel engines...
4) I borrowed a Pug 307 2 litre CC recently and I got....29 mpg without hammering it and with the roof up on the motorway, which is really not on. It NEEDS the 136 HDi diesel badly.
5) I was loaned a 206 GTi with the 110 HDi when my wife's 206 was in for service - and I would say DON'T KNOCK IT UNTIL YOU TRY IT - nice power delivery and economy, and apart from rattle on start-up no real noise problem either.
6) Anyone who says the diesels are noisy, smelly, and cough out black smoke have not driven or owned the latest HDI FAP diesels from Peugeot, these engines are exquisite. The black smokers are usually from Ford or Vauxhall.
7) No, I do not work for Peugeot PR, but as an ex-GTi (loved the handling) & ex-CC owner (loved the roof down) who now owns a 307 with a 136 HDI engine I have some experience which I just wish to share. Don't fear the diesel!!!!!!

Derek · Post by **Derek** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:24 pm

As good as the diesel engine may be, diesel is on average 5ppl more than NUL which takes some of the benefit away right away.

I can buy Optimax for my 350Zr cheaper than what my local BP takes for diesel.

Average mpg for the 2.0SE when I had one was 34.5 which I was more than happy with. If you follow a recent review of the HDi CC then economy wasn't very impressive at all. Add in increased service and fuel costs then it becomes even less appealing.

Arnold · Post by **Arnold** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:45 pm

Ford diesels are now jointly developed with Peugeot.The software is Ford the main engine components Peugeot (PSA) - I have driven both, the Ford engines are much smoother and quieter than the Peugeot ones, so it must be down to the software.
We also have a Renault Laguna dci as our main car it is streets ahead of the 2.0hdi (read Peugeot) Citroen Picasso we used to have before.

The petrol/diesel debate is gonna run & run, so here, for what it is worth is my perspective.....
1) My dealer suggests that the 2.0 litre MAY not be around much longer....he reckons 2.0 sales are sluggish due to higher fuel costs, and this shows in 2nd hand trade-in values. He sells more 1.6's than 2.0's
2) In Europe sales would improve if a diesel was available because their diesel fuel costs much less than here. Thanks to Mr Blair & Mr Brown.....
3) If the over-hyped Tigra has a diesel then it makes sense for Peugeot to match it with a diesel since Peugeot DO make the best diesel engines...
4) I borrowed a Pug 307 2 litre CC recently and I got....29 mpg without hammering it and with the roof up on the motorway, which is really not on. It NEEDS the 136 HDi diesel badly.
5) I was loaned a 206 GTi with the 110 HDi when my wife's 206 was in for service - and I would say DON'T KNOCK IT UNTIL YOU TRY IT - nice power delivery and economy, and apart from rattle on start-up no real noise problem either.
6) Anyone who says the diesels are noisy, smelly, and cough out black smoke have not driven or owned the latest HDI FAP diesels from Peugeot, these engines are exquisite. The black smokers are usually from Ford or Vauxhall.
7) No, I do not work for Peugeot PR, but as an ex-GTi (loved the handling) & ex-CC owner (loved the roof down) who now owns a 307 with a 136 HDI engine I have some experience which I just wish to share. Don't fear the diesel!!!!!!

carl · Post by **carl** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:03 pm

I can buy Optimax for my 350Zr cheaper than what my local BP takes for diesel.

Yes, it's ludicrous isn't it? I'm starting to think that LPG might be the future (no congestion charge in London on LPG, either).

Derek · Post by **Derek** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:41 pm

LPG isn't a bad choice and even more so if you do travel within the London CC zone.

LPG at a local BP is 42.9 - just under half the price of NUL.

Sounds cheap, is it hell, the Jet garage has taken 29.9 for about a year which is about 1/3 the cost of NUL.

If I did enough miles in one car in a year then I would definitely consider an LPG conversion.

carl · Post by **carl** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:49 pm

Only trouble is that with dual fuel you lose about 15% efficiency, and you can only fill a tank 80% full. So even if you manage to fit a 65 litre tank in, you've got the effective range of a 44 litre tank. At 30 mpg, that's no joke.

Obviously the less economical your car is, the bigger the gains. And the bigger your car is, the more practical the installation. Which is why you see a lot of LPG V8 Range Rovers.

Can't really understand why people have LPG 1.4 Astras though.

Haven't seen LPG at anything less than 39.9 round our way, but as the price of NUL/SUL/Diesel increases it's looking more like a viable option. Around Â£1800 for the conversion, so around 27,000 miles to break even.

Derek · Post by **Derek** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:28 am

Seems a bit pricier out your way. I'm sure Morrisons still take 29.9 as well.

Noddy · Post by **Noddy** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:16 pm

HI.

To answer the original question i think the exhaust is the give away. If you look close enough you can see that the exhaust points down (through the finishing kit). This is also the give away on the 406 coupe hdi.