Witnessed an Accident!!

tiranova · Post by **tiranova** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 11:28 am

While on the subject of banning roadusers, my Top Ten are as follows:
(in no particular order)

1. People using mobile phones while driving
2. Little old ladies who can't see over the steering wheel
3. 17 year old Nova or Corsa drivers (on mummys insurance )
4. Cyclists
5. Caravans
6. Tractors
7. Volvo drivers
8. People reading maps while driving
9. My work colleague, Gibbo.
10. The French

You missed 1, Milk floats, well actually you missed 2, rubbish collection trucks

Mr_AWOL · Post by **Mr_AWOL** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 1:12 pm

I didn't rise to Mr Awol comments as I hoped by the winking a smiling emoticons that he was saying it a little tongue in cheek!

Burge

EVERYTHING i say is tongue in cheek! I doubt my useful contributions to this forum have hit double figures!

Col,

Motorists and horses can live together if they show consideration for each other which I do as a motorist and horse rider and in all the 13 years of riding my horse any near misses I have been involved in have always been the drivers fault as my horse has more sense.
Burge

My only too problems with horsey people are:

1/ The BI7CH who rides past my house on her horse - it has crapped outside my driveway AT LEAST THREE TIMES since i moved here a year ago! There is a Â£50 penalty sign for dog owners who do not clean up after their animals and i think this should be increased for horse owners who leave crap on the road in a residential area! If it happens again i am going to follow her home and then dump the offending pile of manure through her letterbox!

2/ There is a little country lane which is very busy near me. It is OBVIOUS that it is not the place for horse hiding but LOADS of ppeople insist. There is plenty of riding land RIGHT NEXT to the sodding road!

Rant over!

Duncan · Post by **Duncan** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 1:51 pm

My only too problems with horsey people are:

1/ The BI7CH who rides past my house on her horse - it has crapped outside my driveway AT LEAST THREE TIMES since i moved here a year ago! There is a Â£50 penalty sign for dog owners who do not clean up after their animals and i think this should be increased for horse owners who leave crap on the road in a residential area! If it happens again i am going to follow her home and then dump the offending pile of manure through her letterbox!

I think you have identified the reason why its not an offence to allow horses to crap on the road. It's manure generally non hazardous ( although unpleasant to some) and indeed could be usefull ( very good for rhubarb I understand). you may also find that the penalty for dogs only applies to the foot way. Horses ar not allowed on footway and so crap on the carriage way

2/ There is a little country lane which is very busy near me. It is OBVIOUS that it is not the place for horse hiding but LOADS of ppeople insist. There is plenty of riding land RIGHT NEXT to the sodding road!

if its a little country lane perhaps it is also unsuitable for vehuicular trafic which makes i busy. Perhaps all those mums with 4x4 could be persuaded to drive of road there plent of off roading land RIGHT NEXT to the sodding road. The network of bridle paths and riding land is limited most horses you see on the road though are not exercising on the road but simply using the road to get from stables to a bridlepath or riding land or pasture.

the bitch on the horse I presume is a circus act and so is trained not to crap on the road

Burge · Post by **Burge** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 1:52 pm

Mr Awol,

3 times in one year! You're lucky - mine does on average 10 a day!!

Must admit though I have two dogs and I would rather shift 10 horse sh*ts than 1 dog sh*t. Anyway why don't you gather it up it is fantastic for the garden?

Burge

Mr_AWOL · Post by **Mr_AWOL** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:09 pm

Oh i will be gathering it up burge - and watering it down and filling a supersoaker with the stuff - then the next time she rides past.............

And to duncan:

Unpleasant to SOME? you make it sound less offensive than dog crap! Sh1t is sh1t and it is all a health hazard. Plus the horse sh1t makes a much stronger smell

Also, this country lane is busy coz its pretty much the only road between two points. I dont mind horsey people riding there, i just think it is inconsiderate to drivers AND to the horses. If i was a horsey person i wouldnt ride my horse in a place where it was being put in danger

Incidently, does anyone know if horses are supposed to travel on the outside of bends etc, like pedestrians, and whoose fault it would be if you went round a corner and arse ended a horse, or, as in the case,burge saw you hit a car or a tree whilst avoiding a horse?

If a horse is on the road (and causes an accident) is the rider insured? Or would i lose my no claims!

andrew · Post by **andrew** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:24 pm

You missed 1, Milk floats, well actually you missed 2, rubbish collection trucks

thats a good point, every monday when I go to work there are rubbish collection trucks on a "major road" always each week they are park almost oposite each other making it very difficult to get around them !!!

Burge · Post by **Burge** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:26 pm

Mr Awol,

The law I'm afraid is very much in favour of the horserider in an accident situation. I'm not sure about the legalise but perhaps someone else could help out but as the horse by its nature can be unpredictable 99 times out of 100 the car driver would be at fault. If you can put yourself in the place of the horse unlike us they don't have reasoning powers so if something say in the grass verge frightens the horse it will run away and the usual thing is to jump sideways. It would not jump sideways into a solid object as they aren't that silly and have some sense of self preservation. So the horse jumps sideways into a space which in a split second is filled by a fast moving car. This is why it is so important to pass horses slowly so that they are aware of you. You only need to watch racehorses - they will always try to avoid stepping on jockeys who have fallen on off unless it is impossible to do so. Most horses are sensible on the road and mine has been in all the years I have had her. If she hadn't been I would no longer have her. She has a sort of sixth sense that makes her behave so much better when her feet are on tarmac. I also ride out from a yard where there is nobody to check if I have got back safely so I don't always want to venture too far off the beaten track in case something happens to me and I am not found for hours. As for insurance I think my cover for such things happening while riding covers me up to 1,000,000 or it may be even more.

Hope this answers some of your questions without going on too much!!

Burge

Duncan · Post by **Duncan** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:31 pm

it is all a health hazard.

not so. genarally dropping of herbivours are no more hazardous that garden soil.

Incidently, does anyone know if horses are supposed to travel on the outside of bends etc, like pedestrians, and

The is nothing in law to say where a pedestrian should walk but I believe horses have to follow the same rules as cars bikes etc. and walk on the left. Burge please correct me if I am wrong

whose fault it would be if you went round a corner and arse ended a horse, ?

Almost always the car driver. So long as horse was'nt doing any thing silly (riding on road doesn't count)

If a horse is on the road (and causes an accident) is the rider insured? Or would i lose my no claims!

as far as I am aware insurance for horses on roads is not compulsory. I believe it should be. You'd only loose your no claims if your insurer could not recover their loss. This is obviously easier if the horse owner was insured.

CB · Post by CB » Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:32 pm

It is OBVIOUS that it is not the place for horse hiding but LOADS of ppeople insist.

Aren't the buggers a bit too big to play this game successfully? I would suggest kittens or puppies are much easier to stuff into small crevices. Or gerbils. Just ask Richard Gere!!

Mr_AWOL · Post by **Mr_AWOL** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:34 pm

Cool Burge - Im not saying i have anything against horses - i always creep past em etc. The point being if a horse was on the wrong side of the road when i came round a corner, its not gonna be nice for the horse OR for my bonnet/bumper/windscreen etc. Would be a bit unfair if i had to stump up for all that! So is horse insurance compulsary? Do most people have it or is it like pet insurance where only the people who are bothered about their animals have it?

CB - do you reckon 17 year old horse riders go around on their mums insurance?

Mr_AWOL · Post by **Mr_AWOL** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:38 pm

Found someone else who is even MORE hacked off about horse sh1t than me!

http://www.weeklygripe.co.uk/a52.asp

Burge · Post by **Burge** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:41 pm

Horsey Highway Code thingies:

1. When turning right into another road a rider should stay on the left and signal right (unlike a cyclist etc) and when safe to do so ie traffic behind has stopped you should then turn right. This is to prevent the potentially hazardous situation of having a horse in the middle of the road being passed by traffic from both directions.

2. At roundabouts the horse should stay on the left hand side and keep signalling right until they reach their required exit even if you are taking the last exit.

3. When leading a horse on the road in hand you would walk the horse in the same direction of the traffic with the leader between the horse and the traffic.

Insurance is not compulsory nor a road safety test or safety helmets. Safety helmets are required legally though by anyone under 14 riding on the road. I as a rider think that Insurance and some sort of test should be compulsory for riders and I would be willing to pay some sort of road tax although I think I more than contribute by paying full 7.5 ton road tax for my horsebox which at the most does 1500 miles a year!

Burge

There may be more things but can't think of them at the moment.

Burge

Duncan · Post by **Duncan** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:50 pm

Cool Burge - Im not saying i have anything against horses - i always creep past em etc. The point being if a horse was on the wrong side of the road when i came round a corner, its not gonna be nice for the horse OR for my bonnet/bumper/windscreen etc. Would be a bit unfair if i had to stump up for all that! So is horse insurance compulsary? Do most people have it or is it like pet insurance where only the people who are bothered about their animals have it?

CB - do you reckon 17 year old horse riders go around on their mums insurance?

forgive me for saying this ......should you be going round corners to fast to stop for an object in the road. Whether it be a slow moving horse, a child or something fallen of the back of a lorry?

Mr_AWOL · Post by **Mr_AWOL** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:03 pm

something fallen of the back of a lorry?

If something falls off a lorry & damages my car i can claim off the lorry drivers insurance - i am not, as i driver expected to anticipate that.

andrew · Post by **andrew** » Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:22 pm

something fallen of the back of a lorry?
If something falls off a lorry & damages my car i can claim off the lorry drivers insurance - i am not, as i driver expected to anticipate that.

Id rather anticipate that than have the inconvenience !