help me you IT bods

wheel repair it · Post by **wheel repair it** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:32 pm

rite then,nothing to do with CCs but who cares

I part own a company called AWESOME ALLOYS and we have a web site of that name which is .com,its a naff site but it gives people a little bit of info,nothing fancy.

Just noticed that a rival company has awesomealloys.co.uk,click on this and you are redirected to there site.

not really fussed as have too much work on anyway,dont think we losing any,just was wondering if this is legal,can it be stopped,blah blah blah

never start a alloy wheel company,its like the ice cream wars

thanks chaps,can any of you think of a way i can wind them up.

tata

CB · Post by CB » Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:56 pm

Can i have a flake and strawberry sauce when you come do my wheels please Pete?

MattB · Post by **MattB** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:58 pm

If you actually own the trademark "Awesome Alloys" then i think you could contest it, but it would probably go to court. There's more information here: http://www.icann.org/udrp/udrp.htm

The next job is to get some meta keywords into your HTML (I see there aren't any there at the moment) so that search engines will be able to index it properly and make sure that you come up top of a search in an engine such as Google or Yahoo. You may even be able to add words such as "awesomealloys.co.uk" into your tags on your .com site and try & pick up their searches, although I don't know how successful this would be. There are lots of clever things to get at the top of search engines and people have written essays on them!

But to be honest, unless you're seriously losing business, or they're slating your company on the .co.uk site I wouldn't bother about it.

wheel repair it · Post by **wheel repair it** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:24 pm

Thanks matt,thats all i needed to know,cheers for help

CB :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: cliff

CB · Post by CB » Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:30 pm

thats not very nice now is it?

MattB · Post by **MattB** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:35 pm

CB :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: cliff

Greenday · Post by **Greenday** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:52 pm

Matt's exactly right, i looked into this when starting my business and you are not allowed to call yourself anything like Mcdonalds, but there is nothing to stop someone buying that domain name and then trying to sell it to you at a higher price (happens loads) but if you own the name and they are a legally registered business they can be sued or forced to change their name, they could still use the website address though as long as the company isn't called that,

That was the most complicated thing i've every tried to explain i hope it made sense

Mr_AWOL · Post by **Mr_AWOL** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 1:28 am

Wicked Wheels are contractors for many manufacturers including Porsche, Ferrari, BMW and Mercedes-Benz.

Awesome Alloys lead the way in the refurbising of alloy wheels on sports cars including including Porsche, Ferrari, BMW and Mercedes-Benz.

Seems odd these manufactirers happened to be in the same order? could add weight if you could prove who said that first, that they are trying to profit from your name? At the end of the day though you only cover a relatively small part of thier catchment though pete, so i think the best way would just be to 'out - service' them?!?

samwise · Post by **samwise** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 9:41 am

A guy who use to work here owned BAA.com and used to have pictures of sheep and knitting patterns on it. The British Airport Authority took him to court in the end to get it off him.

TheMinel · Post by **TheMinel** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 10:05 am

In Italy, back in the '90s a guy called Marco Armani registered and bought legally the site www.armani.it.
A while ago, the more famous stilyst sued and won the name back off this poor guy who only wanted to do business with his own name! He didn't want to sell the name back for a profit or anything!
The more famous one only won coz he's more powerful than this poor guy!
I don't think it's fair as he has the same last name!

wheel repair it · Post by **wheel repair it** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 9:06 pm

Seems odd these manufactirers happened to be in the same order? could add weight if you could prove who said that first, that they are trying to profit from your name? At the end of the day though you only cover a relatively small part of thier catchment though pete, so i think the best way would just be to 'out - service' them?!?[/quote]

been doing that for over a yr now,i called them today pretending to be a customer looking for awesome alloys,said when i put name in it came up wicked wheels so i called them,she say she never heard of AA so thats a good start,she not really seem to want to tell me that they refurbished alloys as well.

at the end of the day i take approx 150k of work off WW a yr,if thats the best they can do then im happy

hahahahahahahahaha

Duncan · Post by **Duncan** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 12:01 pm

you are not allowed to call yourself anything like Mcdonalds

As far as I understand there are no statutory controls( ie acts of parliment) stopping me as an indivudual or in parnership with others trading as Mcdonalds Restaurants. but McDonalds ( the ones who sell burgers ) would be entitled under civil law to sue for damages and prevent me fron using Mcdonalds Restaurants. This would be because of potential damage to their reputation and intelectual property rights.

McDonalds dont own the name McDonalds in the same way Asda might because they didn't create it. So I could trade as McDonalds Tyres so long as I am not to be seen trading of the reputation of the restaurants so I may not get away with McTyres.( no implcation is to be drawn that I might be suggeating there burgers taste like rubber)

As a limited Company or PLC the law would stop me from calling my company the same or similar to another.

There would appear to be no such legislation governing web address and because of communication across international borders there is unlikely to be. Also a company call shall we say Frogspawn Ltd could trade as Bullfrog if some one else wasn't using that name. But this again would be a matter for civil law ie another company Bullfrog Ltd would have to sue Frogspawn Ltd.

I suppose that you could sue wicked wheels for damages but that is expensive and didifficult to prove especially as they appear to be a bigger concern than you. I would guess that you could reverse the tactic and buy up any free similar addresses to www .wicked-wheels.co.uk and redirect to your web site but you have to be aware that they might have a case for damages against you.

Thing are not always what they appear on screen so as a consumer when buing on the webb I look for several things

1. The sophistication of the web site. if a lot of money appears to have been spent on it it suggest the company behind it is big and or very serious about trading on the web

2. An physical address and land line telephone.

3. follows on from 2. are they an established business or an new webtrader so a litle history/ details of people involved is usefull.

If web does not convince me that they a large enough and relaible organisation I won't buy. The exception would be a small local business. But i would prefer to see a home page which as as an advert efectively giving me all the information I need such as telephone number, where and how you operate, price guide etc. If you have more detailed in formation such as price list and samples of work it can be put on other pages if you don't don't bother. Either headlines or full story anything in between is of no use.

Greenday · Post by **Greenday** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 12:29 pm

Sorry, Duncan is right i should have explained that a bit clearer, i only used it as an example but it was a bad one, but in your case Pete it is valid as i assume they are providing a very similar or the same service you are, if you have the rights to the name you can in fact sue them or get them to stop trading under that name as they are breaking the law by pretending to be you if you see what i mean

Duncan · Post by **Duncan** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 1:55 pm

I'm tempted to say I'm always right.......but that would be big headed and I'm sadly not always right.

It is important to remember the difference between criminal and civil law

Mr_AWOL · Post by **Mr_AWOL** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 8:37 pm

I notice that no-one has an actual company called awesome alloys. Dont know if registering it would give you any rights over the trade name (expensive at Â£200 too)

03857177
AWESOME ASSOCIATES LIMITED
04691300
AWESOME BATHROOMS AND PLUMBING LIMITED
02324719
AWESOME BROADCASTING LIMITED
03599689
AWESOME BUSINESS CONSULTANTS LIMITED
04060699
AWESOME BUSINESS SOLUTIONS LIMITED
04675680
AWESOME CARS LIMITED
04641975
AWESOME CASUALWEAR LIMITED
04534249
AWESOME COMMUNICATIONS LTD
04510736
AWESOME CONCERT PRODUCTIONS LIMITED
04173891
AWESOMECORP LIMITED
03612065
AWESOME DESIGNS LIMITED
03599182
AWESOME DEVELOPMENTS LIMITED
03673694
D AWESOME EDUCATIONAL SERVICES LTD Dissolved
SC130401
AWESOME ENGINEERING LIMITED
04327861
AWESOME ENTERPRISES LIMITED
03926035
AWESOME ENTERTAINMENT LIMITED
03272993
AWESOME EVENTS LIMITED
03962563
D AWESOME FOOTWEAR LIMITED Dissolved
04358635
D AWESOME GAMES LIMITED Dissolved
04418333
AWESOME GAMES (WOOD GREEN) LIMITED
04704845
AWESOME GTI LIMITED
03104137
AWESOME IDEAS LIMITED
03872077
AWESOME INTERIORS LIMITED
03713366
D AWESOME I.T. SOLUTIONS LTD Dissolved
04186973
AWESOME KIDS INTERNATIONAL LIMITED
03665084
D AWESOME LIMOS LIMITED Dissolved
03713371
AWESOME MARKETING LTD
04448808
AWESOME ONIONS LIMITED
04782940
AWESOME PROMOTIONS LIMITED
03673707
AWESOME RESOURCES LTD
04229435
D AWESOME ROCK UK LIMITED Dissolved
04619021
AWESOME SCREEN PRINTERS LIMITED
03014275
AWESOME SOLUTIONS LIMITED
03732703
AWESOME SOUNDS LIMITED
04675683
AWESOME STEREOS LIMITED
03536341
D AWESOME TRADING LIMITED Dissolved
04720581
AWESOME TRAVEL LIMITED
04674794
AWESOME TYRES LIMITED
03413715
AWESOME WELLS LIMITED