ESP - worth waiting for?

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gaia
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Post by gaia »

I understand that the 2003 model starts production mid April and will have ESP.

I'd be interested in comments re 206cc driving and whether people think that ESP is something worth waiting for or if handling is ok now.

Being in OZ I ordered my 206cc in early February but stipulated that I wanted a 2003 build date and the car's arriving on the boat next week so I should get it by the end of the month.

I'm wondering whether I should be considering holding off for the new model with ESP... it'd probably mean another 3 month or more wait and I'm not sure that I could wait that long.
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Post by Erm »

i thought it was standard on the car from first production :?
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Post by gaia »

As I understand it, ABS & EBFD (Electronic Brake Force Distribution) from the start and now adding ASR (Traction Control).

From http://www.peugeot-avenue.com/index.asp ... &langue=fr

The ESP (Electronic Stability Programme) system combines a number of top quality safety functions: The Electronic Brake Force Distributor (EBFD) which distributes the pressure of the brakes over the 4 wheels, ABS which prevents them locking, ASR (traction control) which prevents skidding and Dynamic Stability Control which restores the trajectory if the brakes are applied during cornering.

The ESP (Electronic Stability Programme) electronic device significantly improves the behaviour of your car. ESP combines 4 functions to provide optimum trajectory, perfect adhesion and stability of the vehicle :
• Electronic Brake Force Distributor, which distributes the pressure of the brakes over the 4 wheels, based on measured information
• ABS which prevents the wheels locking
• ASR (traction control), which prevents skidding in the event of poor adhesion
• Dynamic Stability Control, which restores the trajectory of the vehicle in the event of braking in an understeering or oversteering situation.

ESP is a stability control system which provides targeted braking of the different wheels.

HOW DOES IT WORK ?

ESP is :

• an electronic computer
It gives commands to the vehicle's engine and electronic units. When the ignition is switched on, the computer carries out a self-test. All the electrical connections are continuously monitored. The operation of the solenoid valves is regularly checked. In the event of a complete failure of the computer, the conventional braking remains operational.

• a steering wheel angle sensor
This is placed on the steering column and transmits the measurement of the steering wheel angle to the computer.

• a lateral acceleration and yaw rate sensor
This takes acceleration measurements and transmits them to the computer.

• four wheel sensors
These measure the speed of the wheels and transmit it to the computer which then calculates the speed of the vehicle.

• a hydraulic unit
This comprises, amongst other components, an ABS pump.

See the diagram 1
ESP system operation model

See the diagram 2
The BOSCH system used by Peugeot

FACILITIES

A special Peugeot team, based at Belchamp (25), is devoted to the development of ESP.

It uses various physical and digital quality control facilities :
• handling test track
• geometric characterisation test beds
• vehicle characterisation test bed: static vertical front and rear axle measurements
• on-board measurement equipment
• digital simulation stations
• etc.

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Post by RTF »

Well i would have liked ESP also but here in The Netherlands ESP was only available for 1.6 engines ( :?: ). Later this it will also be available on the 2.0 versions.

When you live in a place where there is not much chance for slippery roads you don't need it that much...

I haven't missed it so far... i had it on my last car ESP&traction control and in the winter it was very usefull!

Btw does anybody know if there is a possiblity to build ESP later in to your car?
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Post by slimgym »

Well i would have liked ESP also but here in The Netherlands ESP was only available for 1.6 engines ( :?: ). Later this it will also be available on the 2.0 versions.
Same in the UK, option on 1.6 engines but unavailable on 2.0. I'd have thought on the 2.0 it was more likely to be necessary? It would have been handy a couple of times, it's easy to start spinning the wheels I find. My last car (Vectra 2.5 V6) had traction control and it was pretty much essential. It could put down so much power it needed it, but I found it did lead me to just get heavy-footed regardless of weather safe in the knowledge the car would sort it out for me. It was also an auto so there was even less to be bothered with :)

Be nice if a software upgrade would give it to us, but I doubt it. On the Vectra it worked in two stages, firstly by retarding the throttle, and secondly by applying braking to the individual wheel that was spinning. I see from the weblink offered that on the 206 it also monitors the position of the steering wheel. I doubt all this hardware is already in place on current models :(
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Post by gaia »

Btw does anybody know if there is a possiblity to build ESP later in to your car?
Everything I've read says no.

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Post by Robbie »

I had a CC without ESP and now have a car with ESP and I would recommend you wait if you can.

This winter the ESP cut in for me a couple of times during quick tight bends and proved useful in restabilizing the car.

You should find that ESP will also help to enhance residuals and resale desirability.

I doubt if ESP would be offered post factory though due to the many intigrated parts that need fitting.

Robbie.

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Post by CB »

Your car has Extra-Sensory Powers? Cool! Like KITT from Knight Rider! ;)
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Post by gaia »

I spoke to Peugeot OZ today and they have no knowledge of upcoming specifications change. They said that if there were one planned for delivery in Europe in May that it wouldn't get to OZ (if it did at all) until near year end

I would like to have ESP, but as we're into our 6 years of drought here in Melbourne I don't expect to see many wet roads and so I'll just have to do without at this time.

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Post by Vince »

I understand that the 2003 model starts production mid April and will have ESP.

I'd be interested in comments re 206cc driving and whether people think that ESP is something worth waiting for or if handling is ok now.
No. Life's too short. It's not worth waiting for. It's just a gizmo and one that you may well rarely use.

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Post by carl »

I had a CC without ESP and now have a car with ESP and I would recommend you wait if you can.
But Robbie, your car is RWD :shock:
Surely the only use for ESP on a RWD car is to get a cool 'ESP OFF' light to come on before you start hooning around ;)

IMHO ESP is unnecessary on the 206CC. 1200kg and 130bhp and fat tyres don't offer a lot of opportunity for wheelspin unless you're a complete clown.
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