yet another roof question

[large1]

right windows worked after locking for 10 mins, the only way i can get catches to catch was taking off the cable(short term) im getting a econemy active mode on the dash when i try the roof up switch but micros must be working on lid as beep on occurs atm when pressing roof up button, also i cant get parcel shelf to come up fully mainly does this have to be up to get roof in correct mode again i dont want to force it thanx help needed

[Capncol]

You should de-pressure the system, then you wouldn't have to take cables off. Economy mode suggests you are doing this with the engine off?
Always have the engine running to provide the power to operate the roof properly, but don't touch or turn on & off anything whilst operating the roof!!!

If you are not sure, please read the roof operating instructions and watch the video (all available on this site) in case you make things worse. These cars can be sensitive to incorrect procedures on many things. So many of the problems we get on here are "own goals"

[large1]

right mate, i did de pressurise 1st the catches wouldnt catch, i tried reaps method and now good news the motor started working check and fluid moving inside but not moving roof so the motor works, i had a prob with windows which turned out to be ns roof latch microswitch, the latch when shut dont activate switch thous windows not working i put a tiny bit of cardboard in it chimped and windows work so this will need replacing..

now important things is i need to get this roof working i need to get the cables back on and working first but if motors working doesnt that mean the hydrolics are ok??? is the roof ecu ok??? what do i do next

i also need to know why the parcel shelf wont come up while roof down manually, i found all microswitch now so can see how they work,,

recap motor goes both directions, hydros dont work at all,

beeping has stopped while driving since the ns roof latch micro switch has been pushed in that bit further

just need to get it working now for the girls thanx again mate

[Capncol]

Re tighten the de pressure valve

[large1]

Re tighten the de pressure valve

i did this the cables still wouldnt catch do you think ecu is corrupt as the motor works fine but the hydrolics dont

[Capncol]

Anybodies guess without seeing it for myself.
The system works on quite a clever system of two way pump and motorised valves to switch where the pressure is going.
The ECU knows when to trigger the pump reversal, or valves to operate by knowing where the roof is at any given time by which microswitch has been operated, and it knows the time it should take from one switch operating to the next. If the time taken is out of limit, it will error!

If you operate anything at all while the roof is in motion, it can scramble the ECU, and the worst thing is to start or stop engine!

[large1]

Anybodies guess without seeing it for myself.
The system works on quite a clever system of two way pump and motorised valves to switch where the pressure is going.
The ECU knows when to trigger the pump reversal, or valves to operate by knowing where the roof is at any given time by which microswitch has been operated, and it knows the time it should take from one switch operating to the next. If the time taken is out of limit, it will error!

If you operate anything at all while the roof is in motion, it can scramble the ECU, and the worst thing is to start or stop engine!

i know its hard without seeing it back i was asking your advice for the next move if i unplug the roof ecu while the batterys connected and then plug back in to try it also why does the parcel shelf not want to move or will it once the hydos start working thanx boss apprec

[mattau]

Parcel shelf will move if it is getting the right message from the ecu which switches the hydraulics.
The youtube video is very good with the explanation of how it all works.
I spent quite a while scratching my head with roof problems, trying different ideas, and ended up getting a bit lost with which bits are on "auto" and which on "manual".
You can spend so long pressurising/de-pressurising, moving the white tabs back and forth, that you end up chasing your tail.
I would do a manual close, then re-pressurise the hyraulics, and try closing the roof electrically (engine on).
Watch the youtube video, then start again. Sounds odd, but if you are new to these roofs (as i was) you can't really watch that enough!
Make sure white tabs are switched back to the right position, and try the roof open function again.
Key info is where the roof stops.
I had my microswitches checked, and all reported back with the right messages.
I ruled them out.
Roof still didn't work. Went half way, then stopped.
Eventually, on this site, i found a link of someone whose roof stopped same position.
Turned out to be the microswitch in left side of boot. As roof opened, the pin in the microswitch didn't pop out. So some parts of the system would be saying roof was in one position, and this switch still thought it was closed.
Info on what happens when will help others to advise properly.
Good luck! I know it can be a frustrating process!
Matt

[large1]

thanx matt apreciate that the roof wont operate but motor makes the noises ive tried everthing at mo except ecu and the pump but as i say the motor works on the pump. the girls only had it 3 wks and this happened , unfortunatly starting car at same time as putting roof up. out of interest mate what micro of yours was yours, i think ecu may be faulty as the roof stopped while starting wish i knew another person with one close by i could try lol thanx mick

[mattau]

If motor is working making noises, then i would guess things are perhaps just out of synch.
Either white latches aren't in right position, valve not tightened up properly etc.
Also, has car been driven recently? Is it parked fairly flat?
Not sure how sensitive the system is, but supposedly the ecu takes input from speedo and the handbook advises car to not be on a slope when using roof.
Does the fluid level look ok on the pump?
In case you haven't seen it, it is right side of boot behind the carpet. Inside foam cover.
Where are you based? Might be someone near who can show you a working roof, or maybe see something that might be wrong.

[large1]

the cars near brighton is always parked on the flat mate, the fluid level in the pump id say was about 3/4 mate ive taken the cables off the latch for now as the latch wouldnt locate the white thinks are set to auto but ive manually shut latch till it clicked mate i dont want to pay for a secondhand roof ecu if its not that ya see mate its nearly there i cant look till late friday now so was hoping to find someone who has had same problem to advice my next step boss cheers mick

[mattau]

It doesn't sound like anything major is wrong. If Motor still working etc.
When you say the latch, you mean inside the boot cover where it tilts back?
I could only ever get this working with all the hydraulics back together. After manual close, the latches wouldn't work manually. I had to move the white clips to manual. Which locks the boot cover (but not full lock). This would beep when driving over 5mph.
With the hydraulics tightened up again, it was generally then possible to push the close roof button, and the roof would complete the final bit of the cycle, shut itself properly. Then i could move the white clips back to auto.
I would suggest next step is to put the cables back on, try the method above to finish closing roof, and if everything else seems right, try the process again. Start to finish.
Engine on first etc!
Let us know what happens and we can take it from there.

[large1]

ok mate but i think it wont do anymore than what i got today i tried it many ways but got the same result mate the motor works with button up or down but no hydrolic movement at all, can you remove roof ecu with battery connected with keys out?

[mattau]

Yeah I took mine out a few times. Probably sensible to wait a short while if its been on.

[large1]

ok boss ill try that next thanx mick