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Postby micky1 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:15 pm

hi guys micky1 here I was reading on the site the other day about the air bag light being on and noticed an article on the front seat connectors it looks like someone has changed the seats and it is the wrong connectors how do I go about getting the right seats for this model it is a 2002 1.6 206cc . thanks micky1
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Re: front seats

Postby IanL » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:16 pm

Probably a car dismantler. Try EBay
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Re: front seats

Postby rhume » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:21 pm

You could keep the seats and just solder the connections :)
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Re: front seats

Postby Spitfire6 » Thu May 02, 2019 11:13 pm

Hi,
Use connectors or crimps. Never, ever use soldered connections on these safety things.
Never.
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Re: front seats

Postby IanL » Fri May 03, 2019 9:57 am

Spitfire6 wrote: Use connectors or crimps. Never, ever use soldered connections on these safety things.
Never.


As a matter of interest, what is the downside of using soldered connections?
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Re: front seats

Postby Spitfire6 » Sat May 04, 2019 11:46 pm

Hi,
My long post didn't.

In a nut-shell; not allowed on aircraft.
Crimped connections are superior.
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Re: front seats

Postby IanL » Sun May 05, 2019 8:53 am

I think it must be that crimps are more readily inspected - a poor one should be visually apparent. Nothing wrong with a soldered connection if it is properly done, just that you can't necessarily see a poor one.
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Re: front seats

Postby Spitfire6 » Sun May 05, 2019 10:56 am

Hi,
Fair comment about inspection.
But, crimped connections like Wago(tm) for example require zero periodic inspection, unlike screwed connections as used in electrical panels and houses.

I think you will find that crimped connections are more reliable in vibration-prone environments.

Additionally, a correctly soldered wire joint will have a higher resistance than a crimped joint.
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Re: front seats

Postby rhume » Sun May 05, 2019 4:29 pm

I guess another reason to use crimped connectors would be that you can then remove the seats without cutting the wires :)
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Re: front seats

Postby Spitfire6 » Sun May 05, 2019 6:47 pm

Hi,
I hate the appearance of the standard Red, Blue & Yellow crimps. They provide a good connection but are not weatherproof as standard. Worst they look Kak.
I do use the aircraft RBY crimps and these are semitransparent and weatherproof as they are heat-shrinkable around the conductor.
The 4.8mm & 6.4mm crimps are nice with the transparent sleeves, but a more expensive crimping tool is required to correctly crimp the conductor & insulation. Some people solder these types of crimps, don't; Buy the correct crimping tool.
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Re: front seats

Postby Luditus » Mon May 06, 2019 4:51 pm

As a young design draughtsman of aircraft starters and generators in the 60s, I can remember that the only permitted cable connections were eyelet type (referred to as AMP lugs). The conductors pass through the ferrule and were brazed to the flat shoulder of the lug. The ferrule would then be swaged and a Polyshrink cable identifier applied over the ferrule and cable insulation. Multi cable connectors were usually Cannon plugs or Bendix - again these were brazed joints. Crimp connectors were totally banned, but times have changed.
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