Roof won't close - three note warning tone

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Re: Roof won't close - three note warning tone

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My understanding, based on the video, is that one cable is pulled to open the latch, and the other cable is pulled to lock it. My guess is that the locking cable is too loose, such that the latch does not quite reach the fully locked position. What I can't make out is which cable does which, so you will have to experiment.

What may work is if you get the triple tone warning, then tighten a cable and then try again - theory being that if the tone has gone, and the roof closes as it should, you did the right thing. If not, you could either tighten some more, or try the other cable.

EDIT: I have found this listing. The photo does give some insight into the cables - it looks like the upper one in the pic moves the latch clockwise to lock. I hope that helps.

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Had a good old fiddle with those cable adjusters, but didn't help. :(

TBH, while I was doing it I realised they weren't likely to be the culprits... Even once the error has occurred, the latch seems to be in entirely the correct position, fully closed. When push the white part to open it (as you do when manually closing) you can hear and feel the microswitch clicking open, and as you release you can hear it clicking shut again. But the issue remains.

Basically the only way to reliably clear the fault is to manually close the roof. I can then lower it again electrically and it will be fine to raise electrically... until I drive the car for a little while / hit some bumps.
As I've said, I've cleared it a couple of times by opening and slamming shut the boot, or carrying out part of the manual raise procedure, then lowering it again, but neither of these has provided a repeatable way of clearing it.
I've Had a good look at the catches before and after the fault (ie straight after lowering the roof, and once the warning tone has started) and can so or feel no difference in position.

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I have recently seen a post that a similar problem turned out to be a loose connector for the boot lid sensors, located behind the trim of the boot lid, i.e. the other side of the rear number plate.

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IanL wrote:I have recently seen a post that a similar problem turned out to be a loose connector for the boot lid sensors, located behind the trim of the boot lid, i.e. the other side of the rear number plate.
Thanks Ian - what's the best way to physically check that?

Also, this seems a very obvious and probably dumb question, but will the specific fault not be getting logged in the computer, so anybody with the right diagnostics too could read it?

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Remove the boot lid internal trim and inspect the connector - I gather the problem was it was not fully plugged in. Maybe yours was assembled by the same worker?

I expect Peugeot Planet could tell you if the switches are open when you know they should be closed, but I'm not sure whether that is logged by the roof ECU, such that it could be read by Planet.

The generic EOBD fault readers do not access the roof electronics - you need the Peugeot system. If you don't have it, and you have an old 32-bit laptop, I would cost less to buy a set on eBay than to get a dealer to plug his in to your car. You can use a 64-bit laptop, but you need to install a virtual 32-bit OS (Win XP SP3 is favourite).

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I've been following this and what Ian is saying does make sense. I the sensor for the boot lid isn't registering the boot as shut, then it would certainly throw an error and disable the roof operation. This also would fit in with what the OP reports about sometimes being able to clear the problem by opening and slamming shut the boot lid. I have a similar (but different!) problem with my drivers door...if I hit a particularly large pothole (of which there are bloody thousands where i live!) Lizzie will sometimes throw a fit...STOP light comes on...interior light flashing as a warning etc. First time it happened it scared me half to death! However, all I now do is push down on the drivers lock to lock the doors and this seems to re-assure that the door is indeed shut and clears the problem (yes..i know i need to fix it properly, however I have bigger fish to fry with the car atm!). May i ask the following and suggest something? When the roof refuses to go down, has the boot been opened? By that i mean have you used the key to physically open the boot lid before the roof fails to operate? If this is the case, and maybe if it isn't as well, when you get the warning and the roof fails to operate, re-engage the roof latches, operate the door locks and see if the roof will go down after that. I'd be interested to see what happens.
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Rubyoptics wrote:May i ask the following and suggest something? When the roof refuses to go down, has the boot been opened? By that i mean have you used the key to physically open the boot lid before the roof fails to operate? If this is the case, and maybe if it isn't as well, when you get the warning and the roof fails to operate, re-engage the roof latches, operate the door locks and see if the roof will go down after that. I'd be interested to see what happens.
The roof always goes down fine, the problem is with putting it up.

It always goes up fine immediately after going down, and will continue to do so for a while if driven very carefully. But on any normal journey, within about one to five minutes it gets enough of a jolt (and it really doesn't take much - sometimes I've noticed it specifically when hitting a speed hump or something, but often there's no noticeable cause at all, just cruising along and the warning tone starts).

Once the error starts, it will persist even if you stop, lock the car, leave it alone for ages. The only way to clear it is to manually put the roof up or, as I say, occasionally by slamming the boot. Once the roof is back up, it will always be OK again, until I once again go through the sequence in the paragraph above.

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IanL wrote: The generic EOBD fault readers do not access the roof electronics - you need the Peugeot system. If you don't have it, and you have an old 32-bit laptop, I would cost less to buy a set on eBay than to get a dealer to plug his in to your car. You can use a 64-bit laptop, but you need to install a virtual 32-bit OS (Win XP SP3 is favourite).
Not got a 32-bit laptop... would an independent Peugeot specialist be the cheapest way to get it hooked up to Peugeot Planet?

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A1Dan75 wrote:while driving with it down I start getting a warning tone of three rising notes in a row - kicks in at about 10mph. When I then come to a stop and try to raise the roof, it doesn't move and just makes that same three note beeping sound.
Does your speedo work properly? Does the needle ever jump slightly?
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Slo wrote:
A1Dan75 wrote:while driving with it down I start getting a warning tone of three rising notes in a row - kicks in at about 10mph. When I then come to a stop and try to raise the roof, it doesn't move and just makes that same three note beeping sound.
Does your speedo work properly? Does the needle ever jump slightly?
Not that I've noticed, why?

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IanL wrote:Remove the boot lid internal trim and inspect the connector - I gather the problem was it was not fully plugged in. Maybe yours was assembled by the same worker?
Just tried this, but I'm not sure which connector I'm looking at. Don't know if you can point it out on the below photo?

The only sensor I can see for the boot lid being shut is the one in the catch attached to the car body, not on the boot itself (second photo).

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Follow the loom back towards the left boot hinge ...
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I think its E301:

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A1Dan75 wrote:Not that I've noticed, why?
The boot lid is monitored and will affect roof operation over 8mph.

That switch inside the boot lid is a tilt switch and its just for the boot light.

Sounds to me like its the boot latch switches, the second photo is blank but im guessing its supposed to be the latch in the rear crossmember, it has two switches in it with springs that are under very high tension for a simple switch, try disconnecting it and driving around for a few days and see if that makes any difference. One switch is for the alarm and the other is for the boot open message for the mfd although it will interfere with the roof if it thinks the boot is open while the car is moving. I had same problem but I just left mine unplugged I didnt bother replacing it.

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